They want us to be loyal to them and pay them to entertain us thru their music, sports and acting, but they don't want us in their videos or TV shows or LIVES.
i don't think he cares if she a ho. for some black men, as long as the woman is white, or non-black, that's the only thing that matters. their race makes up for any shit they did or are doing.
You all calling her a ho need to drop some proof on that. Provide a link/pic or something cuz thats not cool to put this girl out there like that over some shit you heard from the homeless man or a hatin nigga.
I'm not a black woman but I can definitely see where these black male celebs can get some women tight for real.
It seems like dating our own race is the exception, not the rule. Nothing against interracial couples or anything, but it's blatant with black celebs. I can't think of any other race who dates outside as much as we do, celebrity or not. That's crazy.
@3:55 PM "It seems like dating our own race is the exception, not the rule. " Huh? No one can count these days. Asian men and Asian women date outside of their race at a higher rate than anyone. That is a fact. Read a book people. Ignorance kills.
All this bitterness toward a grown man who makes his own honest money and can choose his own girlfriend is strange. As superficial as so many black women are, Kenan would have no chance with a lot of black women out there unless he was making money or was associated with a known baller. Tell the truth. None of y'all would be checking for this man. And he makes his money off of white audiences, so a black boycott would mean jack to his pockets. Take away his fame and money, and 99% of the black women out there would laugh at him if he rolled up to them, trying to kick it. Give a brother some money and fame and all of sudden he owes random people.
@4:15 PM I see a pretty girl with a very nice body. Even with the pictures unfiltered the craziest shot there is his girl in a two piece. I guess he needs to marry a "Precious", to keep it real.
@4:15 pm Are you black? No disrespect, Im just rying to figure out what about 3:55pm comments were unrealistic to you. Do you not think its strange that the AA community dates outside its race soo much? When people talk about racial pride what are your thoughts on that and most of all what are your thoughts on racism....do you even think it exist?
Not for nothing, I dont think Kenan could, in your words pull a WHITE woman unless he was making money or was associated with a known baller, but then again Kenan is making alot of money. I guess that explains how he got the white girl...
Be for real, dude is mad corny. I mean have you ever watched SNL? But to be fair, in all honesty, most men want hoes they can call all their own. I dream and aspire for the one day I can have a hoe I can call all my own.
4:15 PM, Then direct me to that book. PLEASE DO! Don't talk about it, be about it. Show me the that information! Don't come up in here with that 'Read a book please' and 'ignorance kills'. Since you're so educated on the topic, then enlighten me, please.
I want to see where other races, Asian or whatever date outside at the same or higher rate than blacks do. For real.
@4:33 PM As evidenced by the BBW thread on the other post, the one about the drink thrown at Jennifer, people are easily manipulated by the media. The fact is, interracial marriage between black and white, is very rare if you look at the census figures. This has been proven, empirically, over and over and over again. About 97% of black men marry black women. About 98% of black women marry black men. The media hypes up this illusion about interracial marriage because it manipulates a certain segment of the population. Something like 95% of the black married NBA players, are actually married to black women. Look it up. Not sure about the NFL. This myth about the epidemic of interracial marriage is perpetuated by two groups:
1. Insecure, single, bitter black women 2. Racist, insecure, white men
So in a weird way, those two groups work together.
Fact is, white women are NOT attracted to black men enough to really deal with the hate and backlash they get from their own communities. White women have actually explained this to me, that if they are dating a black man, they keep it on the hush to not hurt their career. And frankly, white men are not really that attracted to black women, especially with shows like BBW as an example. I have heard white men say this with my own ears.
So to see the anger generated by a grown man, picking the woman of his choice, given the facts on the ground, is strange to me.
People need to understand how they are being manipulated and why. Take a close look at the media presented to black women.
Okay, I'll be the asshole. The reason black celebs date non-black women is twofold.
1/ The more money you make the fewer and fewer black people you're going to encounter. When you get to the top of the mountain, it's all white up there. Let's also not forget when black people with money date other blacks all y'all do on here is call them ghetto, and insult them for dealing with hoodrats. So a lot of this is damned if you do and damned if you don't. On RWS you'll shit on every black celeb until they die, literally until they die. Check any MJ posting pre-death, and count the positive comments and see if you get to (Jackson) five. Y'all come on here and call them a coon or a housenigger for every possible misstep because that's what self-hating people do.
2/Black women are shallow. They have the highest standards for height, looks, dick size and wallet size of any race. There is no fucking chance for Kenan Thompson with a beautiful black woman, it just wouldn't happen.
Coming from somebody who used to think, 'What are these black women complaining about, let a black man date whomever he wants', I have to admit that I'm kinda seeing where the anger comes from now. These days it's almost a surprise when I see a black male celeb with a black girlfriend or wife. However, nowadays black women seem to catching up in that category as well. The way I see it, the message that's out there is: 'Don't date/marry black if you're black. Anything else will do.' And everybody's falling for it, too. Just as intended.
Cats be lookin way too happy with these beat up beckys on they arm. These Nickelodeon niggas spend they whole life intimidated by LaTasha, Ebony, and Imani --and feelin' comfy as hell around Amy, Kaitlyn, and Carly..
@4:51 PM Are you paying me to do your research? Google is your friend, not me. Take the initiative. I don't have the time, energy or interest to educate someone too lazy to even put basic key words into a search engine or Wikipedia. A high school student would at least do that. This is 2011, not 1911.
@4:33 PM Racism exists and it always will. However, I think black people are fighting a bigger enemy, such as ignorance. With racism, your enemy is on the outside. With ignorance, your enemy is on the inside. The fact is, America is highly segregated at the social level, even in the major cities, and that influences how people date and marry.
You know those reports about black teens attacking whites at the Wisconsin State Fair this month? Try and find actual video of those acts. I have not been able to. That leads me to believe that someone put out a story about marauding blacks, with no hard evidence to back it up in the way of cell phone videos, surveillance footage etc. This is what I mean by media manipulation toward a particular end.
5:12 PM don't try to play high and mighty with me. You came up with that statistic, not me. I simply asked you to provide me with a link or some info to prove your statement. That only tells me you can't.
Don't go running off at the fingertips unless you're ready and willing to provide substantive proof of your statement, alright? This is what I'm talking about!
I can do my own research, I don't need your help, but stop running your lips on topics you have no evidence to prove. Just a little friendly advice.
You don't have the time, energy or interest to educate somebody, but you do have the time, energy and interest to make claims you can't back though, don't you.
I'm a Black female and I've had a crust on Kenan for a few years now. I'm kind of hurt. I saw him on a tv show a few years ago and he seemed like such a nice guy that I wanted to get to know him. Living in Atlanta and running in the same circles as some of his good friends, I'm sure that I'll eventually get to meet him. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that if he and this chick don't work out and I'm single by then, he's still checking for the sistas. *fingers crossed*
@4:33 PM This is the last thing I will say, although I will lurk in the comments. One of the reasons, I started coming to entertainment blogs was because I started to realize how many black people, especially certain black women, only understand the world through pop culture. Certain black women will see Kenan, and extrapolate that to the universe of black men, automatically. They have no concept that 99.9999% of black men live a complete different reality than that of celebrity culture. Not athletes. No entertainers. If you are working, it is a 9-5 with a side hustle. Yet, if some ballplayer does some nonsense, somehow he represents all black men.
The kind of stereotyping is coming full circle now that the media is training their guns on black women through BBW, WSSH videos and general hoodrat ghetto fight videos, featuring 99% black women. So one black women start taking enough of that propaganda assault, because it is happening now, maybe some of them will understand how that same assault has been happening to black men. Fat chance. But, whatever.
@5:09 PM Yeah. Because Amy, Kaitlyn, and Carly haven't been running around with thugs and players during their best years, getting damaged until they pray for a nice guy.
@5:23 PM Go to www.census.gov, try, try, try to use your brain, look up the tables on interracial marriage rates, then come back and tell me that I'm wrong about Asians dating at a higher rate. If you can't do at least that much, then you are absolutely full of shit about wanting proof.
I don't care about you personally or what you think. However, my comments are for those who honestly care to understand how they are being deliberately manipulated by the media and by intellectually lazy people. Black people need to have more "Hold up. Wait a minute. Is this true??? Why am I being manipulated?"
Doubt if he was on any black females radar that uses physical attractiveness as their main component for being interested in a relationship with a black man.
5:46 PM, now was that so hard? For future reference, when you make a claim that someone questions, try, try, try, to provide a link or something that readily backs your argument, in case someone questions the veracity of your statement. It's just common sense.
For the record, I don't care about you personally, either. I don't even know you. And based on your tone, I wouldn't want to know you. I am just not in the habit of accepting what anybody says without some kind of proof. Feel me?
@5:46 - I disagree. I think for the most part, these Nick Jr negros just grew up buying into the negative stereotypes about black women- intimidated and largely ignorant and prejudiced of their own kind. My very best friend used to be one of 'em.
@5:57 PM This is what you wrote in response to my comment: "Since you're so educated on the topic, then enlighten me, please."
That was sarcasm, for nothing. Your initial tone was hostile and you got a hostile response. 4:33 PM phrased his/her question respectfully, and I responded in kind, with respect. It was that simple.
For the record, anyone who wants to research Asian-White, Black-White marriage rates or Interracial marriages in general, can get a 2008 synopsis on WiKiPedia:
In the general population, yes, there will always be more black men & women married, but it is sooooo evident that "SOME" of the black men who have "made it", so it seems, in Hollywood, sports, etc, they're very quick to have a relationship with non-black females & that is not a coincident & i will even say, REAL love ... in my humble opinion, "SOME" black men go for the light/white skin b/c (1) it's something they could not have & would have been killed for "back in the day" (2) they want a designer wife, so they can have designer babies (good hair, fair skin, etc) (3)some of them think it's "easier" to deal with women outside of their race (4) a lil bit of self-hatred
@5:00pm No disrespect, but if you can answer my questions. Do you not think its strange that the AA community dates outside its race soo much? When people talk about racial pride what are your thoughts on that and most of all what are your thoughts on racism....do you even think it exist?
@6:17 PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! I am glad that someone is looking into the easily verified facts.
If you look at the number for blacks who marry whites and assume(erroneously) that black men account for all of the interracial marriages, 4.6%, that will still leave black men marrying black women at a rate of 95.4%. Be optimistic and round to 96%!
@6:20 PM "Do you not think its strange that the AA community dates outside its race soo much?" No, I don't. Because the fact is, black people do not date outside of the race as much as people like to think. Not even close. No offense, but what is portrayed on TV is not how people actually live. The fact of the matter is, interracial marriage between blacks and whites is very rare. But because certain web sites keep emphasizing the "swirl" and certain individuals have an inferiority complex, interracial marriage gets disproportionate attention and passion. Not one empirical, peer-reviewed, scientific study points to a high rate of black and white intermarriage. Just racists, the emotional and the color complected.
"When people talk about racial pride what are your thoughts on that and most of all what are your thoughts on racism....do you even think it exist? @4:33 PM Racism exists and it always will. However, I think black people are fighting a bigger enemy, such as ignorance. With racism, your enemy is on the outside. With ignorance, your enemy is on the inside. The fact is, America is highly segregated at the social level, even in the major cities, and that influences how people date and marry. So why is there a concerted effort to convince black people otherwise? Is it so black men and black women can attack each other? Over a myth? Instead of cooperating? I base what I know about people on real people, across a spectrum of backgrounds. I also question every social trend that gets hyped in the media.
Indians and Chinese people, if you talk with them candidly, deal with racism. But because Indians and Chinese have a high sense of self at the individual and group level, it is almost impossible to manipulate them as easily as blacks are by the mainstream press. You never hear Chinese people talk about interracial marriage as much as blacks. Mainly because if they do, it is in Chinese, so non-Chinese can't understand. Secondly, they feel that they are winning regardless of who is having sex with who.
As for racial pride, I can understand why other people have it. But I do not know what that even means. Race is a social construct, not a biological one. I am an individual. I will not take the credit nor the blame for anyone else. I have pride in my personal accomplishments. But I can't take the credit for what anyone else has done, black or white. So racial pride, pride in what other people have done using only race as the differentiation is strange. If you want to claim black pride, you need to claim black shame as well. Live by the group. Die by the group.
@6:25 PM, the second one. Reading your followup comments, I will concede that you appear to be sincere. For that reason, I retract my hostile replies and charge the misunderstanding to the challenge of communicating about a loaded issue in a blog.
@5:12pm You never answered my question about your thoughts on racial pride. ...I’m waiting for that answer.
Also, I find it interesting that you spoke on ignorance when "ignorance" is the exact manner that you are conversing in this post. In your words, "As superficial as so many black women are", you generalized a whole race of women. You typed yourself that we need to question the images that are put before us and yet I see you do not do the same. You are willing to believe the worst in a race of women based on what substantial proof? What statistical proof is out there that says black women are more shallow and vapid than other races? If one is willing to believe the worst of its own people then I must say that would be ignorant.
Again, I am awaiting your thoughts on racial pride.
Regarding the Black Males dating/marrying outside their race Discussion:
The FACTS that have already been provided by a couple of posters is Probably PRETTY ACCURATE considering Marriage licenses are of Public Record but regarding the Actual Dating argument is more than LIKELY Terribly Skewed via the Media along with BIASED Perception
Just counting the NFL and NBA: Roughly 1,760 NFL players w/ maybe 60% Black, So roughly 1,056 Black NFL Players
Roughly 480 NBA players w/ maybe 80% Black, So roughly 384 Black NBA Players
THAT is such a MI-NUTE Sampling considering the amount of U.S. Citizens that are BLACK yet SEEING these Visible Black Males dating habits can BLUR Reality... And the number of Hollyweird Black males are EVEN LESS and we Routinely SEE their lives play out right in Front of US !!!
I'm with the Consensus that believe that More Black Men are actually married to Black Women along with MORE Black Males are Dating Black Females -- JMO
Black folks are a trip. I am latino descent was born in Central america with a spanish name, however black as night. Came here from the age of 6 months, I am actually 30 now,college graduate, good job has always identify with my black culture, black girls and black folks in general will always tell me that I am not black enough, that I needed more soul because of my roots, they say the meanest stuff to my africans, jamaicans and indian friends as well, when in fact all other races embrace us. Is like they take joy in dividing.
@6:45 PM Based on your comments I fail to believe you are a black man. I do not find it productive to discuss African American issues with people who are not of the race. Good evening to you.
In the United States there still are disparities between Black female and Black male exogamy ratios: according to the Census Bureau, there were 354,000 White female-Black male and 196,000 Black female-White male married couples in March 2009, a ratio of 181:100.[21], but this ratio tends to decline: it was 371:100 at its peak in 1981[22]
Marital stability studies published on the Education Resources Information Center found that White female-Black male unions are more prone to result in a divorce than White-White marriages are, while Black female-White male marriages show substantially lower rates of divorce than White-White marriages.[7] It should be noted that a 2002 study revealed this trend to exist in near equal proportionality in all interracial marriages of every ethnic group.[7] In 2007, 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner, and 0.4% of all Whites were married to a Black partner.[23]
@6:57 PM "As superficial as so many black women are" You quoted this yourself. I qualified my statement with "so many" instead of all black women. I looked through all my comments and came cross one instance of where I implied all black women. Everywhere else, I was a careful as possible to qualify my comment to a certain subset of black women.
As far as an empirical study on superficiality across races, that would be pretty meaningless because you have to define superficial in a way that is acceptable to everyone. Marriage is a binary state that is trivial to qualify. You either are or you are not. And you can do that just by looking at marriage records.
I think what bothers most people is that educated and weathly black men dont date eduacated and wealthy black women. We already now that Micheal up the block will date likely marry Nikki. However, we arent talking about the average black Joe and Jane. I read a stat that said 70% of hollowood black men marry white women. It seems black women are good enough when a black man is getting by, but let him get some money and like Kanye West said "hes gone leave your ass for a white girl"! Whether its truely the majority or not, the media presents an image that ALOT of successful and rich black men will not marry a black women.
@7:23pm I was really hoping to have an intelligent, honest and most of all, adult conversation with you on this topic. Unfortunately, I see this is not what you would like to happen. Good evening to you.
@7:23 PM "You typed yourself that we need to question the images that are put before us and yet I see you do not do the same." Well the next step in my observance of a subset of superficial black women, is understanding WHY so many are superficial. I based my conclusion not on the media or on a longitudinal study, but on getting to know as many people, personally, as possible. What exactly does pop culture market toward black women?
The answer comes from the media that is deliberately marketed to black women. Why are the videos about black women hoodrat affiliated? Why did Kelly pop out her boobies? Why is BBW a train wreck? Where are the reality shows of black women cooperating in business and scholastics? Why is the R&B music so sexual? if you wanted to see a black woman on TV doing positive things, what would you do?
I believe that so many black men are superficial as well. Unless it is crime, music or sport related, society does not care about black men's accomplishments. So many black men are superficial as well, specifically because of the way they are told that their only route to prosperity is sports or the entertainment industry. Meanwhile, billionaire Steve Jobs is presented as the hero for white boys.
But I ain't getting down with a man, black or otherwise. No homo. I study black women. Because eventually, I will have to live with one. And I want to know exactly what the media has been feeding her all of her days. Just like she should know what has been going into my ear and eye gate. The media has a strong influence on so many of us. To not understand that in all its ways is dangerous.
So yes, I am a black man. No, I don't have racial pride because race is a social construct. I have pride in myself and my blood relatives. And one day, I hope to marry a black woman who is in her right mind. A white woman would work. But I prefer black woman. That's just me.
@3:12....Girl look!!! actually alot of blackwomen in cali/la date interracial to,trust me i've visited the city and both sides date equally out of culture. just cause its not televised doesn't mean it don't happen!!! on fact alot of non american blackwomen date out more than blackwomen in the US,damn shame cause they're main concern is finding a man who will take care of family,provide and protect which is the way a woman is suppose to see in a husband not how big is thang is,how tall he is etc!! unlike american black women who look toward the unneccesary!!! alot of black women should take tips from our sistas abroad cause thats what you suppose to look for in a man regardless of race!! *team kenan* and yea I'M A SISTA ROOTING FOR THIS BROTHER!!! NOW MIND YOUR BUSINESS LIKE IM GONNA MIND MINES IN WITH HIS HAPPY UNION!!!
@6:59 PM ELove Playa, thank you for running those numbers. That's all I'm trying to say. People need to do the real math to understand how they are being manipulated sometimes. (David Chappelle voice): That's all I'm sayin'.
@7:34 PM Well, I appreciate your Internet time and the civil, yet limited debate, we actually did have. The topic is charged so I am glad we both maintained our politeness. Usually, the topic devolves into mud slinging. As far as the media manipulating black society, I take that as serious as a heart attack, an aneurysm and a stroke rolled up in one. The future of healthy black families depends on greater understanding.
And believe me, I know so many positive, outstanding, black women, that I do try not to lump them in with the bad ones. I just wish the positive ones were the focus of these reality shows and media coverage. Then the superficiality that I despise so, could dissipate.
@7:46PM NO Problem !!! You're kicking much needed Logic & Knowledge that ALOT of black females need to ABSORB to The FULLEST because our very Way of Survival is DEPENDENT UPON THEM not Losing Faith in the Power of the Black Union along with Deadening The EFFECTS of this EVIL YT Media machine that's desperately trying to KEEP US APART (Much Respect Playa...)
@7:35pm So then your words should fall on the deaf ears of women. By your logic, your more interested in what a women is feed than a man because your focus is trying to date a woman, so doesnt that mean the same for a woman!? Why would a black woman care about how other black women look when shes trying to date a man!?! No homo right? She should be more concerned about what black men are looking at. You said that black men are superficial too but you have no idea how bad you black men look to us. Between the rap music calling us hoes and bitches, you being casted as the criminals ALL the time in movies and tv, you all on reality shows acting a fool by either being violent, aggresive, rude, or all the above and yalls constant need to have money, cars and hoes. Lets not get on the high incarceration rates and the fact that most of you dont take care of your kids. Please. This is why I think each gender should mind they business and focus on themselves.
@8:18 PM Yeah I know this is long but you raise some excellent points. Actually, I am very aware of how black men appear in the media and to non-blacks because I am a black man and my survival is at stake on the daily. To be ignorant of how others perceive you is foolish. Lack of understanding will get you murked or incarcerated. 99.9% of the professional people around me are non-black. 100% of the time I am the only black in our meetings. You don't think I know exactly how they see me? How am I supposed to get wealthier without that understanding? Being outside of the entertainment industry, I won't get that pass that an NBA player gets. Hustle, hustle, hustle, hard!
I've stayed outside of the court system. I've never gotten worse than a speeding ticket, not even reckless driving. I don't have any kids. I've never had a "misunderstanding" with the po'lice. My non-black coworkers respect me, immensely. I've never been fired or layed off. I make more money now in corporate American than I did when the economy was actually good. I have a degree from a world famous college. I bought my own home without taking a dime from anyone. I don't do anything that falls into the stereotypical black man category. Some of that is my natural personality. Some of that is fate. Some of that is deliberate manipulation on my part so that people don't know how to control or influence me. You can't control what you can't box in. White people have even told me to my face that I am completely different from what they expected. You can't maliciously target something that is always moving.
So yeah, I know the black male-specific out-of-wedlock birth rates, the incarceration rates, the std rates, the education rates, etc, etc, etc. And you know what? I know them so well that I don't fall into any of them. I am not a statistic. If I was, I would be the blip that shows up way off the charts. I am crushing even the white men in my peer group. And because of the negative stereotypes, most people never see me coming. So I use the negative to my advantage as well. And as for music, the most "gangsta" cd is my collection is The Roots.
This is the Internet so I am indifferent as to whether you believe what I write. However, I do know hearing these testimonies helps SOMEONE out there. Some of us have good sense.
@8:41 PM I hear you, but you need to give women the same respect. Just like you're saying you dont fit the angry black male stereotype, the same can be said for the black woman. As long as you give a woman the one on one, unbiased opportunity to impress you, the same respect will be given back and if what you said about yourself is true then congrats on your career success.
@8:49 PM You are correct. I won't debate the point that a black woman deserve equal respect and an equal chance to speak for themselves. They absolutely do. I had to deprogram and reprogram myself to get to that understanding. Every black woman I meet in person, I start consciously and explicitly with a blank slate. However, I do put energy into understanding what formed the thoughts in her head. And why she may behave a certain way. That is survival.
This is the Internet after all but someone has to tell the truth at some point. Everything I said, and more, is true. I may never play professional sports or sing on someone's cd. But best believe, one day I will be positioned financially to buy a professional sports team or finance my own record label.
Much success to you too in your chosen professional! I am happy for the civil exchange. Black people unite and we can all get down.
@6:25 the numbers you people are throwing out are pointless when you consider that 70% of black babies are born out of wed lock. Who are all these AA men marrying when they won't even marry the mother of their child?
IT doesn't matter HOW MUCH intelligence you bring to a serious discussion regarding BETTERING Relations between Black Men & Black Women... There is ALWAYS GOING to be a SEGMENT of Black FEMALES that are RELENTLESS in Their Disapproval of anything you say IN ERNEST to close that GAP Between US (Sad but TRUE !!!)
And this is the VERY REASON Why So Many Black Females get labeled as Angry, Bitter and Never EVER Satisfied & These are the VERY FEMALES I (Along With ALOT of Black Men) try to AVOID Like The BLACK PLAGUE Itself
There MUST be Some Genuine Give-n-Take from BOTH SIDES... One-Sided relationship will NEVER WORK in True Harmony because the ONE that's doing the Vast Majority of the GIVING almost always gets Thoroughly DISRESPECTED -- JMO
@9:12 PM I love the Internet! http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(law) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Non_marital_by_countries.gif
You are purposely trying to confuse two different set of facts. That 70% number is easy to explain. It means that more black people, consenting men AND consenting women, are f*cking outside of marriage than within marriage. Try as you might you can't confound the people who DO get married and have kids WITHIN wedlock, with those who are raw dawging and having multiple kids by multiple mothers and multiple fathers. You are looking at two different sets of people who for the most part disjoint, with a high correlation between income and the # of oow births. Lower income people tend to have more kids out of wedlock. Stop trying to throw shade on the people who are getting married and doing the traditional thing. I see you trying to throw dirt on black men. #youneedmorepeople.
And if you follow the trends in 95% white Europe, as evidenced by the links I showed, WHITE people in WHITE run countries have increasing oow births. What's their excuse? Those kids aren't beige, so don't blame the black man. White folk are doing plenty of raw dawging on their own. Iceland has a oow rate of 66%. WHITE Iceland! And people are surprised at the high number of oow births in the hood? So the oow birth rate has roots and implications beyond just skin color. Just ask the Icelanders and the Swedes. They might be too busy f*cking to answer you though.
@9:12 PM Thats a good point. *on topic* I googled that girls name and she looks like any other "model". I cant say judging by those pics she's a hoe. Anyway, too bad I cant see another example of beautiful black love. Oh well...get your white girl loving on Kenan!
Anonymous said... I'm not about to read all these damn novels yall typing. Besides haven't yall heard the phrase, "Theres someone for everyone?"
9:32 PM
Actually, it was a good read. "There's someone for everyone" was discussed and brought to the forefront. Those "damn novels" provided a rare instance where she wasn't "Dat Bitter Black Bitch" and he wasn't "Dat Mofo Nigga". It was an insightful, yet respectable dialogue between two opposing point of views. Kudos.
I know I joke around alot on this particular site because it provides a release and anonymity for me (if you only knew). But to get a morsel of an intelligent debate every now and again is always refreshing.
(1) Forty-two percent of black adults have never been married, compared with just 26 percent of all American adults.
(2) By the time most black Americans reach their early 30s, half have never married, compared with 31 percent or less for other racial and ethnic groups.
(3) Black women ages 35 to 44 are the only group of American women of child-bearing age with lower rates of marriage than men of the same race or ethnicity.
(4) By their early 40s, 31 percent of black women have never been married, compared to 9 percent of white women, 11 percent of Asian women and 12 percent of Hispanic women.
Nearly one out of every three black households (29 percent) is headed by a single woman, the highest percentage of female-headed households in the U.S. Meanwhile, married-couple households are 28.5 percent of black households. In the most recent U.S. Census figures, 35.3 percent of black single-mother families are poor. For black married families, it's only 6.9 percent.
@9:35 (2:43 here) I forgot to add: For the meager 28.5% of black couples that are actually married, more power to them! But that 70% out of wedlock black birth rate is obviously relative when only 28.5% of blacks are married.
When only 28.5% of black couples are married, it really doesn't matter that 99% of them marry black.
But I am one that believes we should marry whomever we're drawn to, regardless of race.
While I appreciate all the effort brought forth to put up numbers to support opinions on this topic, I can't help but to reach for my nutsac and squeeze when I hear/see anything from the American Census Bureau. I just say "consider the source" and keep it movin'. I believe enough of us black folks know that we're up against it and for a myriad of reasons (many delving deep into our American history) our family structure is in part a cycle of struggle and failure... but I simply don't need or trust percentages spit out by the Census to know that we have to do better. These same muthafuckas have been telling us all our lives that black people are behind the 8 ball. Seems like we're more prone to get every disease, die every death, fail every test, lose every race. I call bullshit and throw shade on most of their computations, especially when it comes to the status of black people and interracial issues. To each his own..
@10:15am (2:43 here) lol. i'm a woman and i'm married, running my own business, so stay in your lane. I also happen to be a night owl--what's it to you?
Let me also break you off some facts. In 1965 Black Marriage was at 60%. In 2009 Black Marriage is at 28.5%. That means that during Jim Crow racism black couples were more united and grounded than they are today.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling y'all to get your act(s) together.
@9:23 (11:0 here) LOl BG. A majority of Census workers are Black. A majority of govt workers are black. The lasts Census was recorded under BO who is half black.
While I don't trust the govt, myself, it's obvious to me just watching and talking to people in daily life that those Census statistics aren't far from the truth.
@10:15 Oh and smart ass, i forgot to mention that I live on the west coast so it wasn't even 12am yet. Not that it matters, what time it was. Do you and I will do me. Thanks.
Of course these "computations" are skewed. They take a sample of black folk, run some tests, & spread the "results" disproportionately as if they're absolute fact. How can AIDS, obesity, heart disease and black-on-black crime, ALL be #1 killers of Black people? Certainly there has to be a #2 & #3 killer. But leave it to black people to never check the facts, or at the very least talk to every single black person they know.
@4:04 you sound uneducated. clearly you don't know what the US Census does. And if results are "skewed," why in 1960 did the US Census report that 60% of blacks are married, but report in 2009 that 28.5% are married? The 1960's were far more racist than today.
There is no way to lie about these stats because the Census stats are also researched by independent organization--including black organizations.
When black organizations start coming out saying the Census stats aren't factual, then I'll take note. Until then...
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Kenan, good luck with that
Ahhhh here its goes!
Please elaborate , Snitch, what's the tea?
I'll give this about 1 1/2 until his money runs out, WHAT!? you think she is with him for his looks and fine figure? think again!
He is not hideous and he should have a little dough.
Looks like a Gary Coleman type situation....
I heard she used to be a pro. Do a google search
ANOTHER BLOATED BLACK BOY WITH SOME WHITE BROAD LOOKING LIKE A COON!
YAWN
Fatso probably ain't never had No Pussy...and this White Trash Came along. Bitch Look like a Stray Dog
They want us to be loyal to them and pay them to entertain us thru their music, sports and acting, but they don't want us in their videos or TV shows or LIVES.
2:35 you speak the truth......
Didn't this fat ass coon learn anything from his Tiger Woods skit on Sat. Night Live????
You really need to intelius search your partner before you get hitched and ask around about them. This girl is a known ho.
i don't think he cares if she a ho. for some black men, as long as the woman is white, or non-black, that's the only thing that matters. their race makes up for any shit they did or are doing.
You all calling her a ho need to drop some proof on that. Provide a link/pic or something cuz thats not cool to put this girl out there like that over some shit you heard from the homeless man or a hatin nigga.
Doesn't shock me AT ALL because Dude is Extremely Corny and wasn't he apart of Nickelodeon (IT FIGURES...)
Are there any black men in Hollywood that date black women? Black women must not be considered human in Hollywood.
@RNBTHUG...stray dog
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FUCKING DEAD!
I'm not a black woman but I can definitely see where these black male celebs can get some women tight for real.
It seems like dating our own race is the exception, not the rule. Nothing against interracial couples or anything, but it's blatant with black celebs. I can't think of any other race who dates outside as much as we do, celebrity or not.
That's crazy.
google Christina Evangeline, then look @ Images....
@3:55 PM
"It seems like dating our own race is the exception, not the rule. "
Huh? No one can count these days. Asian men and Asian women date outside of their race at a higher rate than anyone. That is a fact. Read a book people. Ignorance kills.
All this bitterness toward a grown man who makes his own honest money and can choose his own girlfriend is strange. As superficial as so many black women are, Kenan would have no chance with a lot of black women out there unless he was making money or was associated with a known baller. Tell the truth. None of y'all would be checking for this man. And he makes his money off of white audiences, so a black boycott would mean jack to his pockets.
Take away his fame and money, and 99% of the black women out there would laugh at him if he rolled up to them, trying to kick it. Give a brother some money and fame and all of sudden he owes random people.
@4:15 PM
I see a pretty girl with a very nice body. Even with the pictures unfiltered the craziest shot there is his girl in a two piece. I guess he needs to marry a "Precious", to keep it real.
@4:15 pm Are you black? No disrespect, Im just rying to figure out what about 3:55pm comments were unrealistic to you. Do you not think its strange that the AA community dates outside its race soo much? When people talk about racial pride what are your thoughts on that and most of all what are your thoughts on racism....do you even think it exist?
mmm really.
Not for nothing, I dont think Kenan could, in your words pull a WHITE woman unless he was making money or was associated with a known baller, but then again Kenan is making alot of money. I guess that explains how he got the white girl...
Be for real, dude is mad corny. I mean have you ever watched SNL? But to be fair, in all honesty, most men want hoes they can call all their own. I dream and aspire for the one day I can have a hoe I can call all my own.
4:15 PM, Then direct me to that book. PLEASE DO!
Don't talk about it, be about it.
Show me the that information!
Don't come up in here with that 'Read a book please' and 'ignorance kills'. Since you're so educated on the topic, then enlighten me, please.
I want to see where other races, Asian or whatever date outside at the same or higher rate than blacks do.
For real.
@4:33 PM
As evidenced by the BBW thread on the other post, the one about the drink thrown at Jennifer, people are easily manipulated by the media. The fact is, interracial marriage between black and white, is very rare if you look at the census figures. This has been proven, empirically, over and over and over again. About 97% of black men marry black women. About 98% of black women marry black men. The media hypes up this illusion about interracial marriage because it manipulates a certain segment of the population. Something like 95% of the black married NBA players, are actually married to black women. Look it up. Not sure about the NFL. This myth about the epidemic of interracial marriage is perpetuated by two groups:
1. Insecure, single, bitter black women
2. Racist, insecure, white men
So in a weird way, those two groups work together.
Fact is, white women are NOT attracted to black men enough to really deal with the hate and backlash they get from their own communities. White women have actually explained this to me, that if they are dating a black man, they keep it on the hush to not hurt their career.
And frankly, white men are not really that attracted to black women, especially with shows like BBW as an example. I have heard white men say this with my own ears.
So to see the anger generated by a grown man, picking the woman of his choice, given the facts on the ground, is strange to me.
People need to understand how they are being manipulated and why. Take a close look at the media presented to black women.
Okay, I'll be the asshole. The reason black celebs date non-black women is twofold.
1/ The more money you make the fewer and fewer black people you're going to encounter. When you get to the top of the mountain, it's all white up there. Let's also not forget when black people with money date other blacks all y'all do on here is call them ghetto, and insult them for dealing with hoodrats. So a lot of this is damned if you do and damned if you don't. On RWS you'll shit on every black celeb until they die, literally until they die. Check any MJ posting pre-death, and count the positive comments and see if you get to (Jackson) five. Y'all come on here and call them a coon or a housenigger for every possible misstep because that's what self-hating people do.
2/Black women are shallow. They have the highest standards for height, looks, dick size and wallet size of any race. There is no fucking chance for Kenan Thompson with a beautiful black woman, it just wouldn't happen.
Coming from somebody who used to think, 'What are these black women complaining about, let a black man date whomever he wants', I have to admit that I'm kinda seeing where the anger comes from now.
These days it's almost a surprise when I see a black male celeb with a black girlfriend or wife. However, nowadays black women seem to catching up in that category as well.
The way I see it, the message that's out there is: 'Don't date/marry black if you're black. Anything else will do.'
And everybody's falling for it, too.
Just as intended.
Cats be lookin way too happy with these beat up beckys on they arm. These Nickelodeon niggas spend they whole life intimidated by LaTasha, Ebony, and Imani --and feelin' comfy as hell around Amy, Kaitlyn, and Carly..
@4:51 PM
Are you paying me to do your research? Google is your friend, not me. Take the initiative. I don't have the time, energy or interest to educate someone too lazy to even put basic key words into a search engine or Wikipedia. A high school student would at least do that. This is 2011, not 1911.
@4:33 PM
Racism exists and it always will. However, I think black people are fighting a bigger enemy, such as ignorance. With racism, your enemy is on the outside. With ignorance, your enemy is on the inside. The fact is, America is highly segregated at the social level, even in the major cities, and that influences how people date and marry.
You know those reports about black teens attacking whites at the Wisconsin State Fair this month? Try and find actual video of those acts. I have not been able to. That leads me to believe that someone put out a story about marauding blacks, with no hard evidence to back it up in the way of cell phone videos, surveillance footage etc. This is what I mean by media manipulation toward a particular end.
5:12 PM don't try to play high and mighty with me. You came up with that statistic, not me. I simply asked you to provide me with a link or some info to prove your statement.
That only tells me you can't.
Don't go running off at the fingertips unless you're ready and willing to provide substantive proof of your statement, alright?
This is what I'm talking about!
I can do my own research, I don't need your help, but stop running your lips on topics you have no evidence to prove.
Just a little friendly advice.
You don't have the time, energy or interest to educate somebody, but you do have the time, energy and interest to make claims you can't back though, don't you.
I'm a Black female and I've had a crust on Kenan for a few years now. I'm kind of hurt. I saw him on a tv show a few years ago and he seemed like such a nice guy that I wanted to get to know him. Living in Atlanta and running in the same circles as some of his good friends, I'm sure that I'll eventually get to meet him. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope that if he and this chick don't work out and I'm single by then, he's still checking for the sistas. *fingers crossed*
@4:33 PM
This is the last thing I will say, although I will lurk in the comments. One of the reasons, I started coming to entertainment blogs was because I started to realize how many black people, especially certain black women, only understand the world through pop culture. Certain black women will see Kenan, and extrapolate that to the universe of black men, automatically. They have no concept that 99.9999% of black men live a complete different reality than that of celebrity culture. Not athletes. No entertainers. If you are working, it is a 9-5 with a side hustle. Yet, if some ballplayer does some nonsense, somehow he represents all black men.
The kind of stereotyping is coming full circle now that the media is training their guns on black women through BBW, WSSH videos and general hoodrat ghetto fight videos, featuring 99% black women. So one black women start taking enough of that propaganda assault, because it is happening now, maybe some of them will understand how that same assault has been happening to black men. Fat chance. But, whatever.
And I'm done.
@5:09 PM
Yeah. Because Amy, Kaitlyn, and Carly haven't been running around with thugs and players during their best years, getting damaged until they pray for a nice guy.
@5:23 PM
Go to www.census.gov, try, try, try to use your brain, look up the tables on interracial marriage rates, then come back and tell me that I'm wrong about Asians dating at a higher rate.
If you can't do at least that much, then you are absolutely full of shit about wanting proof.
I don't care about you personally or what you think. However, my comments are for those who honestly care to understand how they are being deliberately manipulated by the media and by intellectually lazy people. Black people need to have more "Hold up. Wait a minute. Is this true??? Why am I being manipulated?"
He has got the rest of his life to get with somebody's fat babymomma, let the man enjoy
himself now, good luck Kenan, have fun!!!
@5:29 I'm guessing this is suppose to be a joke?
Doubt if he was on any black females radar that uses physical attractiveness as their main component for being interested in a relationship with a black man.
5:46 PM, now was that so hard?
For future reference, when you make a claim that someone questions, try, try, try, to provide a link or something that readily backs your argument, in case someone questions the veracity of your statement.
It's just common sense.
For the record, I don't care about you personally, either. I don't even know you.
And based on your tone, I wouldn't want to know you. I am just not in the habit of accepting what anybody says without some kind of proof.
Feel me?
What is it with the posters on this site?
@5:46 - I disagree. I think for the most part, these Nick Jr negros just grew up buying into the negative stereotypes about black women- intimidated and largely ignorant and prejudiced of their own kind. My very best friend used to be one of 'em.
@5:57 PM
This is what you wrote in response to my comment:
"Since you're so educated on the topic, then enlighten me, please."
That was sarcasm, for nothing. Your initial tone was hostile and you got a hostile response. 4:33 PM phrased his/her question respectfully, and I responded in kind, with respect. It was that simple.
For the record, anyone who wants to research Asian-White, Black-White marriage rates or Interracial marriages in general, can get a 2008 synopsis on WiKiPedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Asian_and_White
It really ain't that hard.
Plus it's accurate and much easier to find.
Just Saying.
In the general population, yes, there will always be more black men & women married, but it is sooooo evident that "SOME" of the black men who have "made it", so it seems, in Hollywood, sports, etc, they're very quick to have a relationship with non-black females & that is not a coincident & i will even say, REAL love ... in my humble opinion, "SOME" black men go for the light/white skin b/c (1) it's something they could not have & would have been killed for "back in the day" (2) they want a designer wife, so they can have designer babies (good hair, fair skin, etc) (3)some of them think it's "easier" to deal with women outside of their race (4) a lil bit of self-hatred
@5:00pm No disrespect, but if you can answer my questions. Do you not think its strange that the AA community dates outside its race soo much? When people talk about racial pride what are your thoughts on that and most of all what are your thoughts on racism....do you even think it exist?
@6:17 PM
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
I am glad that someone is looking into the easily verified facts.
If you look at the number for blacks who marry whites and assume(erroneously) that black men account for all of the interracial marriages, 4.6%, that will still leave black men marrying black women at a rate of 95.4%. Be optimistic and round to 96%!
6:14 PM, There is nothing hostile, or sarcastic in saying: 'enlighten me please' if that person actually wants to be further informed.
Man, I'm starting to hate this site.
Anyway, moving on.
first 6:25 PM, No problem. Glad to help.
@6:20 PM
"Do you not think its strange that the AA community dates outside its race soo much?"
No, I don't. Because the fact is, black people do not date outside of the race as much as people like to think. Not even close.
No offense, but what is portrayed on TV is not how people actually live. The fact of the matter is, interracial marriage between blacks and whites is very rare. But because certain web sites keep emphasizing the "swirl" and certain individuals have an inferiority complex, interracial marriage gets disproportionate attention and passion. Not one empirical, peer-reviewed, scientific study points to a high rate of black and white intermarriage. Just racists, the emotional and the color complected.
"When people talk about racial pride what are your thoughts on that and most of all what are your thoughts on racism....do you even think it exist?
@4:33 PM
Racism exists and it always will. However, I think black people are fighting a bigger enemy, such as ignorance. With racism, your enemy is on the outside. With ignorance, your enemy is on the inside. The fact is, America is highly segregated at the social level, even in the major cities, and that influences how people date and marry. So why is there a concerted effort to convince black people otherwise? Is it so black men and black women can attack each other? Over a myth? Instead of cooperating? I base what I know about people on real people, across a spectrum of backgrounds. I also question every social trend that gets hyped in the media.
Indians and Chinese people, if you talk with them candidly, deal with racism. But because Indians and Chinese have a high sense of self at the individual and group level, it is almost impossible to manipulate them as easily as blacks are by the mainstream press. You never hear Chinese people talk about interracial marriage as much as blacks. Mainly because if they do, it is in Chinese, so non-Chinese can't understand. Secondly, they feel that they are winning regardless of who is having sex with who.
As for racial pride, I can understand why other people have it. But I do not know what that even means. Race is a social construct, not a biological one. I am an individual. I will not take the credit nor the blame for anyone else. I have pride in my personal accomplishments. But I can't take the credit for what anyone else has done, black or white. So racial pride, pride in what other people have done using only race as the differentiation is strange. If you want to claim black pride, you need to claim black shame as well. Live by the group. Die by the group.
@6:25 PM, the second one.
Reading your followup comments, I will concede that you appear to be sincere. For that reason, I retract my hostile replies and charge the misunderstanding to the challenge of communicating about a loaded issue in a blog.
Peace.
@5:12pm
You never answered my question about your thoughts on racial pride. ...I’m waiting for that answer.
Also, I find it interesting that you spoke on ignorance when "ignorance" is the exact manner that you are conversing in this post. In your words, "As superficial as so many black women are", you generalized a whole race of women. You typed yourself that we need to question the images that are put before us and yet I see you do not do the same. You are willing to believe the worst in a race of women based on what substantial proof? What statistical proof is out there that says black women are more shallow and vapid than other races? If one is willing to believe the worst of its own people then I must say that would be ignorant.
Again, I am awaiting your thoughts on racial pride.
Regarding the Black Males dating/marrying outside their race Discussion:
The FACTS that have already been provided by a couple of posters is Probably PRETTY ACCURATE considering Marriage licenses are of Public Record but regarding the Actual Dating argument is more than LIKELY Terribly Skewed via the Media along with BIASED Perception
Just counting the NFL and NBA:
Roughly 1,760 NFL players w/ maybe 60% Black, So roughly 1,056 Black NFL Players
Roughly 480 NBA players w/ maybe 80% Black, So roughly 384 Black NBA Players
THAT is such a MI-NUTE Sampling considering the amount of U.S. Citizens that are BLACK yet SEEING these Visible Black Males dating habits can BLUR Reality... And the number of Hollyweird Black males are EVEN LESS and we Routinely SEE their lives play out right in Front of US !!!
I'm with the Consensus that believe that More Black Men are actually married to Black Women along with MORE Black Males are Dating Black Females -- JMO
Black folks are a trip. I am latino descent was born in Central america with a spanish name, however black as night. Came here from the age of 6 months, I am actually 30 now,college graduate, good job has always identify with my black culture, black girls and black folks in general will always tell me that I am not black enough, that I needed more soul because of my roots, they say the meanest stuff to my africans, jamaicans and indian friends as well, when in fact all other races embrace us. Is like they take joy in dividing.
first 6:57 PM, I can live with that.
One!
@6:45 PM Based on your comments I fail to believe you are a black man. I do not find it productive to discuss African American issues with people who are not of the race. Good evening to you.
In the United States there still are disparities between Black female and Black male exogamy ratios: according to the Census Bureau, there were 354,000 White female-Black male and 196,000 Black female-White male married couples in March 2009, a ratio of 181:100.[21], but this ratio tends to decline: it was 371:100 at its peak in 1981[22]
Marital stability studies published on the Education Resources Information Center found that White female-Black male unions are more prone to result in a divorce than White-White marriages are, while Black female-White male marriages show substantially lower rates of divorce than White-White marriages.[7] It should be noted that a 2002 study revealed this trend to exist in near equal proportionality in all interracial marriages of every ethnic group.[7] In 2007, 4.6% of all married Blacks in the United States were wed to a White partner, and 0.4% of all Whites were married to a Black partner.[23]
@6:57 PM
"As superficial as so many black women are"
You quoted this yourself. I qualified my statement with "so many" instead of all black women. I looked through all my comments and came cross one instance of where I implied all black women. Everywhere else, I was a careful as possible to qualify my comment to a certain subset of black women.
As far as an empirical study on superficiality across races, that would be pretty meaningless because you have to define superficial in a way that is acceptable to everyone. Marriage is a binary state that is trivial to qualify. You either are or you are not. And you can do that just by looking at marriage records.
I think what bothers most people is that educated and weathly black men dont date eduacated and wealthy black women. We already now that Micheal up the block will date likely marry Nikki. However, we arent talking about the average black Joe and Jane. I read a stat that said 70% of hollowood black men marry white women. It seems black women are good enough when a black man is getting by, but let him get some money and like Kanye West said "hes gone leave your ass for a white girl"! Whether its truely the majority or not, the media presents an image that ALOT of successful and rich black men will not marry a black women.
That's why I love this blog.
Come for the humor.
Stay for the intelligent debate.
Don't mind me, I'm in a good mood today.
@7:23pm I was really hoping to have an intelligent, honest and most of all, adult conversation with you on this topic. Unfortunately, I see this is not what you would like to happen. Good evening to you.
@7:23 PM
"You typed yourself that we need to question the images that are put before us and yet I see you do not do the same."
Well the next step in my observance of a subset of superficial black women, is understanding WHY so many are superficial. I based my conclusion not on the media or on a longitudinal study, but on getting to know as many people, personally, as possible. What exactly does pop culture market toward black women?
The answer comes from the media that is deliberately marketed to black women.
Why are the videos about black women hoodrat affiliated? Why did Kelly pop out her boobies?
Why is BBW a train wreck? Where are the reality shows of black women cooperating in business and scholastics? Why is the R&B music so sexual? if you wanted to see a black woman on TV doing positive things, what would you do?
I believe that so many black men are superficial as well. Unless it is crime, music or sport related, society does not care about black men's accomplishments. So many black men are superficial as well, specifically because of the way they are told that their only route to prosperity is sports or the entertainment industry. Meanwhile, billionaire Steve Jobs is presented as the hero for white boys.
But I ain't getting down with a man, black or otherwise. No homo. I study black women. Because eventually, I will have to live with one. And I want to know exactly what the media has been feeding her all of her days. Just like she should know what has been going into my ear and eye gate. The media has a strong influence on so many of us. To not understand that in all its ways is dangerous.
So yes, I am a black man. No, I don't have racial pride because race is a social construct. I have pride in myself and my blood relatives. And one day, I hope to marry a black woman who is in her right mind. A white woman would work. But I prefer black woman. That's just me.
Ok. I'm tired. Peace.
@3:12....Girl look!!! actually alot of blackwomen in cali/la date interracial to,trust me i've visited the city and both sides date equally out of culture. just cause its not televised doesn't mean it don't happen!!! on fact alot of non american blackwomen date out more than blackwomen in the US,damn shame cause they're main concern is finding a man who will take care of family,provide and protect which is the way a woman is suppose to see in a husband not how big is thang is,how tall he is etc!! unlike american black women who look toward the unneccesary!!! alot of black women should take tips from our sistas abroad cause thats what you suppose to look for in a man regardless of race!! *team kenan* and yea I'M A SISTA ROOTING FOR THIS BROTHER!!! NOW MIND YOUR BUSINESS LIKE IM GONNA MIND MINES IN WITH HIS HAPPY UNION!!!
@6:59 PM ELove
Playa, thank you for running those numbers. That's all I'm trying to say. People need to do the real math to understand how they are being manipulated sometimes.
(David Chappelle voice): That's all I'm sayin'.
@7:34 PM
Well, I appreciate your Internet time and the civil, yet limited debate, we actually did have. The topic is charged so I am glad we both maintained our politeness. Usually, the topic devolves into mud slinging. As far as the media manipulating black society, I take that as serious as a heart attack, an aneurysm and a stroke rolled up in one. The future of healthy black families depends on greater understanding.
And believe me, I know so many positive, outstanding, black women, that I do try not to lump them in with the bad ones. I just wish the positive ones were the focus of these reality shows and media coverage. Then the superficiality that I despise so, could dissipate.
@7:46PM
NO Problem !!! You're kicking much needed Logic & Knowledge that ALOT of black females need to ABSORB to The FULLEST because our very Way of Survival is DEPENDENT UPON THEM not Losing Faith in the Power of the Black Union along with Deadening The EFFECTS of this EVIL YT Media machine that's desperately trying to KEEP US APART (Much Respect Playa...)
@7:35pm So then your words should fall on the deaf ears of women. By your logic, your more interested in what a women is feed than a man because your focus is trying to date a woman, so doesnt that mean the same for a woman!? Why would a black woman care about how other black women look when shes trying to date a man!?! No homo right? She should be more concerned about what black men are looking at. You said that black men are superficial too but you have no idea how bad you black men look to us. Between the rap music calling us hoes and bitches, you being casted as the criminals ALL the time in movies and tv, you all on reality shows acting a fool by either being violent, aggresive, rude, or all the above and yalls constant need to have money, cars and hoes. Lets not get on the high incarceration rates and the fact that most of you dont take care of your kids. Please.
This is why I think each gender should mind they business and focus on themselves.
Go Kenan and Go Halle
@8:18 PM
Yeah I know this is long but you raise some excellent points. Actually, I am very aware of how black men appear in the media and to non-blacks because I am a black man and my survival is at stake on the daily. To be ignorant of how others perceive you is foolish. Lack of understanding will get you murked or incarcerated. 99.9% of the professional people around me are non-black. 100% of the time I am the only black in our meetings. You don't think I know exactly how they see me? How am I supposed to get wealthier without that understanding? Being outside of the entertainment industry, I won't get that pass that an NBA player gets. Hustle, hustle, hustle, hard!
I've stayed outside of the court system. I've never gotten worse than a speeding ticket, not even reckless driving. I don't have any kids. I've never had a "misunderstanding" with the po'lice. My non-black coworkers respect me, immensely. I've never been fired or layed off. I make more money now in corporate American than I did when the economy was actually good.
I have a degree from a world famous college. I bought my own home without taking a dime from anyone. I don't do anything that falls into the stereotypical black man category. Some of that is my natural personality. Some of that is fate. Some of that is deliberate manipulation on my part so that people don't know how to control or influence me. You can't control what you can't box in. White people have even told me to my face that I am completely different from what they expected. You can't maliciously target something that is always moving.
So yeah, I know the black male-specific out-of-wedlock birth rates, the incarceration rates, the std rates, the education rates, etc, etc, etc. And you know what? I know them so well that I don't fall into any of them. I am not a statistic. If I was, I would be the blip that shows up way off the charts. I am crushing even the white men in my peer group. And because of the negative stereotypes, most people never see me coming. So I use the negative to my advantage as well. And as for music, the most "gangsta" cd is my collection is The Roots.
This is the Internet so I am indifferent as to whether you believe what I write. However, I do know hearing these testimonies helps SOMEONE out there. Some of us have good sense.
@8:41 PM
I hear you, but you need to give women the same respect. Just like you're saying you dont fit the angry black male stereotype, the same can be said for the black woman. As long as you give a woman the one on one, unbiased opportunity to impress you, the same respect will be given back and if what you said about yourself is true then congrats on your career success.
@8:49 PM
You are correct. I won't debate the point that a black woman deserve equal respect and an equal chance to speak for themselves. They absolutely do. I had to deprogram and reprogram myself to get to that understanding. Every black woman I meet in person, I start consciously and explicitly with a blank slate. However, I do put energy into understanding what formed the thoughts in her head. And why she may behave a certain way. That is survival.
This is the Internet after all but someone has to tell the truth at some point. Everything I said, and more, is true. I may never play professional sports or sing on someone's cd. But best believe, one day I will be positioned financially to buy a professional sports team or finance my own record label.
Much success to you too in your chosen professional! I am happy for the civil exchange. Black people unite and we can all get down.
Peace.
@6:25 the numbers you people are throwing out are pointless when you consider that 70% of black babies are born out of wed lock. Who are all these AA men marrying when they won't even marry the mother of their child?
IT doesn't matter HOW MUCH intelligence you bring to a serious discussion regarding BETTERING Relations between Black Men & Black Women... There is ALWAYS GOING to be a SEGMENT of Black FEMALES that are RELENTLESS in Their Disapproval of anything you say IN ERNEST to close that GAP Between US (Sad but TRUE !!!)
And this is the VERY REASON Why So Many Black Females get labeled as Angry, Bitter and Never EVER Satisfied & These are the VERY FEMALES I (Along With ALOT of Black Men) try to AVOID Like The BLACK PLAGUE Itself
There MUST be Some Genuine Give-n-Take from BOTH SIDES... One-Sided relationship will NEVER WORK in True Harmony because the ONE that's doing the Vast Majority of the GIVING almost always gets Thoroughly DISRESPECTED -- JMO
I'm not about to read all these damn novels yall typing. Besides haven't yall heard the phrase, "Theres someone for everyone?"
@9:12 PM
I love the Internet!
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db18.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(law)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Non_marital_by_countries.gif
You are purposely trying to confuse two different set of facts. That 70% number is easy to explain. It means that more black people, consenting men AND consenting women, are f*cking outside of marriage than within marriage. Try as you might you can't confound the people who DO get married and have kids WITHIN wedlock, with those who are raw dawging and having multiple kids by multiple mothers and multiple fathers. You are looking at two different sets of people who for the most part disjoint, with a high correlation between income and the # of oow births. Lower income people tend to have more kids out of wedlock. Stop trying to throw shade on the people who are getting married and doing the traditional thing. I see you trying to throw dirt on black men. #youneedmorepeople.
And if you follow the trends in 95% white Europe, as evidenced by the links I showed, WHITE people in WHITE run countries have increasing oow births. What's their excuse? Those kids aren't beige, so don't blame the black man. White folk are doing plenty of raw dawging on their own. Iceland has a oow rate of 66%. WHITE Iceland! And people are surprised at the high number of oow births in the hood?
So the oow birth rate has roots and implications beyond just skin color. Just ask the Icelanders and the Swedes. They might be too busy f*cking to answer you though.
See, that's why I like Kel better anyway. Kel loves black women like he loves orange soda. Anyway, I think he does :/
@9:12 PM Thats a good point.
*on topic*
I googled that girls name and she looks like any other "model". I cant say judging by those pics she's a hoe. Anyway, too bad I cant see another example of beautiful black love. Oh well...get your white girl loving on Kenan!
Anonymous said...
I'm not about to read all these damn novels yall typing. Besides haven't yall heard the phrase, "Theres someone for everyone?"
9:32 PM
Actually, it was a good read. "There's someone for everyone" was discussed and brought to the forefront. Those "damn novels" provided a rare instance where she wasn't "Dat Bitter Black Bitch" and he wasn't "Dat Mofo Nigga". It was an insightful, yet respectable dialogue between two opposing point of views. Kudos.
I know I joke around alot on this particular site because it provides a release and anonymity for me (if you only knew). But to get a morsel of an intelligent debate every now and again is always refreshing.
Hey Moanasia...where you gonna rep 'Wonder Burger" and walk the red carpet with him?....prolly not!!! Don't hate cause the greasy white girl got him
After all, he is just a Disney Kid with tons of cash & a little corny......but hey....
You'd rather keep it GANGSTA'
@9:35 By way of the US Census, Chew on this:
(1) Forty-two percent of black adults have never been married, compared with just 26 percent of all American adults.
(2) By the time most black Americans reach their early 30s, half have never married, compared with 31 percent or less for other racial and ethnic groups.
(3) Black women ages 35 to 44 are the only group of American women of child-bearing age with lower rates of marriage than men of the same race or ethnicity.
(4) By their early 40s, 31 percent of black women have never been married, compared to 9 percent of white women, 11 percent of Asian women and 12 percent of Hispanic women.
Nearly one out of every three black households (29 percent) is headed by a single woman, the highest percentage of female-headed households in the U.S. Meanwhile, married-couple households are 28.5 percent of black households. In the most recent U.S. Census figures, 35.3 percent of black single-mother families are poor. For black married families, it's only 6.9 percent.
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/IPTable?_bm=y&-reg=ACS_2008_3YR_G00_S0201%3A004;ACS_2008_3YR_G00_S0201PR%3A004;ACS_2008_3YR_G00_S0201T%3A004;ACS_2008_3YR_G00_S0201TPR%3A004;&-qr_name=ACS_2008_3YR_G00_S0201&-qr_name=ACS_2008_3YR_G00_S0201PR&-qr_name=ACS_2008_3
wake up silly girl.
@9:35 (2:43 here) I forgot to add: For the meager 28.5% of black couples that are actually married, more power to them! But that 70% out of wedlock black birth rate is obviously relative when only 28.5% of blacks are married.
When only 28.5% of black couples are married, it really doesn't matter that 99% of them marry black.
But I am one that believes we should marry whomever we're drawn to, regardless of race.
I wish them luck. I wish anyone who is in love luck. Just hope this isnt the GARY COLEMAN SEQUEAL PT2 just say*
While I appreciate all the effort brought forth to put up numbers to support opinions on this topic, I can't help but to reach for my nutsac and squeeze when I hear/see anything from the American Census Bureau. I just say "consider the source" and keep it movin'. I believe enough of us black folks know that we're up against it and for a myriad of reasons (many delving deep into our American history) our family structure is in part a cycle of struggle and failure... but I simply don't need or trust percentages spit out by the Census to know that we have to do better. These same muthafuckas have been telling us all our lives that black people are behind the 8 ball. Seems like we're more prone to get every disease, die every death, fail every test, lose every race. I call bullshit and throw shade on most of their computations, especially when it comes to the status of black people and interracial issues. To each his own..
2:43 AM Get off the internet and get some real friends and a girlfriend. Seriously, your lack of a social life is telling.
@10:15am (2:43 here) lol. i'm a woman and i'm married, running my own business, so stay in your lane. I also happen to be a night owl--what's it to you?
Let me also break you off some facts. In 1965 Black Marriage was at 60%. In 2009 Black Marriage is at 28.5%. That means that during Jim Crow racism black couples were more united and grounded than they are today.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling y'all to get your act(s) together.
@9:23 (11:0 here) LOl BG. A majority of Census workers are Black. A majority of govt workers are black. The lasts Census was recorded under BO who is half black.
While I don't trust the govt, myself, it's obvious to me just watching and talking to people in daily life that those Census statistics aren't far from the truth.
@10:15 Oh and smart ass, i forgot to mention that I live on the west coast so it wasn't even 12am yet. Not that it matters, what time it was. Do you and I will do me. Thanks.
@BeeGee
Of course these "computations" are skewed. They take a sample of black folk, run some tests, & spread the "results" disproportionately as if they're absolute fact. How can AIDS, obesity, heart disease and black-on-black crime, ALL be #1 killers of Black people? Certainly there has to be a #2 & #3 killer. But leave it to black people to never check the facts, or at the very least talk to every single black person they know.
@4:04 you sound uneducated. clearly you don't know what the US Census does. And if results are "skewed," why in 1960 did the US Census report that 60% of blacks are married, but report in 2009 that 28.5% are married? The 1960's were far more racist than today.
There is no way to lie about these stats because the Census stats are also researched by independent organization--including black organizations.
When black organizations start coming out saying the Census stats aren't factual, then I'll take note. Until then...
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