Friday, June 13, 2014

Yvette Nicole Brown and the Importance of Arensio Hall


Actress Yvette Nicole Brown blasts Arenio Hall's talk show cancellation and defends his relevance for Black artists…

Yvette writes on her Facebook page,
To those critiquing the quality of Arsenio's show in their eyes allow me to add this...
Every other late night host is allowed YEARS to find their groove. When things don't work initially or there's a slow start they give them time to find their space. Somehow poor initial ratings are never due to something lacking in their ability or worthiness to be a late-night host. But somehow that all comes into question if it's an Arsenio or George Lopez. In those cases it's all about a kanye shrug and a sad-faced, "Welp, we tried!"
Also, to the comment I deleted referencing the "irrelevancy" of Arsenio's guests, I'm going to assume you are too young to have seen his previous show where he LAUNCHED the careers of irrelevant actors, singers and comedians who were "irrelevant" or unknown as I prefer to respectfully call them ONLY because they hadn't received the PR push that others receive just by merit of skin tone.
This is a serious problem in this industry and I was going to stay PC and quiet. But the playing field is NOT level and anyone who doesn't see why a show like Arsenio is needed in the late night landscape is viewing the issue thru privileged eyes.
He has the skill to host. His guests are worthy of a late-night couch visit and that is and will remain the truth.
If given the time others are afforded to get his footing he'd be a lifer like they are. You know, lifers, those who get to keep their late-night job as long as they want it.
That is my continued two cents on this utter foolishness.
Now runteldat.

63 comments:

Realist said...

She didn't lie though!

Anonymous said...

She knows now that Community is over, he is probably the only late nite talk show that will have her

Anonymous said...

Very true. I did criticize Arsenio's show on another post for being "corny" and outdated. However, those guys like Conan, Leno and Fallon are just as corny, wack etc.

Anonymous said...

arsenio comes on pretty late. when i was a teenager, i was able to stay up for his other show and catch jasmine guy, teddy riley, and artists like that. he really did give a lot of black artists a platform that would otherwise never be seen because how many of these same artists have ever appeared on the tonight show or conan? if they can move latifah to BET why not Arsenio?

Your Highness said...

I agree with her stance...

Niyabinghi Warrior said...

While I agree with her, Arsenio been fell off and his horse faced ass was on social getting in an ebeef between two women, that shit was all kinds of bitch made. jimmy fallon sucks as a late night host, every time I turn my lab top on and the home page comes up I see that muthafukka and some lame ass skit with a celeb, he try's way too fucking hard and you get the impression he's going to have a nervous breakdown in a few years, from trying so damn hard. they do need some melanin in the late night line up cause that shit is too white and too drool. I stopped watching late night talk show years ago, I don't find it interesting enough to stay up for.

Bahama Jackson said...

Well said.

Anonymous said...

Shut up! Arsenio didn't have the same flavor he used to have IMO and everyone isn't comeback material.

Bee Gee said...

One word: RATINGS

With all the competition out there, these suits & ties aren't waiting around - if the ratings are bad, that shit is probably gettin' 86'd.

And I can't cosign on the race angle. Chevy Chase and Joan Rivers (to name a couple of famous and beloved whites) had shows that bombed and got axed with the quickness as well. I'm sure there's more.

I'm not saying she didn't make some decent points, but it's about ratings. Fuckery that produces ratings will avoid the axe over more sensible programming that doesn't produce ratings every time. Look at BET and Tavis Smiley for an example. VH1 has become the new home of blaxploitation and them shits stay gettin' renewed because a lot of us are tuning into channel zero to watch America's new soap opera..

Anonymous said...

The show sucked. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

I appreciate her opinion but isn't there some kind of standards needed? When you're interviewing people like Tiny & Terrio.... Put Latifah on late nite and see how she does.

JAMAICA said...

@1:36....he comes on at 10...thats pretty early for late nite. But yea @BEEGEE....Chevy and Magics show lasted like 5 episodes....their shows were garbage.

Anonymous said...

I didn’t think Arsenio’s show was that bad. In fact, it wasn’t, but as usual, we are our worst critics. Damn, CAN WE LIVE? CAN WE PROSPER? The network probably read the negative FB comments and blog comments from Black people and decided to give Arsenio the boot while you’re playin’. And what does him looking like a horse or being corny and wack have to do with anything? At least he tried to put Black people back on the late-night talk show platform. Conan and Jimmy are stale, but they get support from their people and their networks.

@Bee Gee you can’t be serious. Ratings only? Nah.

Anonymous said...

@Bee Gee, maybe just maybe if the more established names in Black Hollywood supported Arsenio, the ratings would have come. However, the biggest supporter he had was Prince. People complained that he only had reality tv stars on, but that's what we're watching and discussing online.

Meanwhile, Denzel and Will Smith ran to support Jimmy Fallon, but couldn't be bothered to show Arsenio some love?

Bottom line: Arsenio didn't get the support he deserved from his "friends" and THAT is a shame.

Anonymous said...

@1:50

I agree we need some type of standards. I watched some clips of Arsenio's show on the internet and it was dry as HELL. The interviews were boring as shit. The comedians on the show were NOT funny. Arsenio lacks any and all swag. Black Twitter is WAAYYY funnier than most of these late night folks. I think BET should give either Kid Fury and Crissle or Funky Dineva their own show on late night. Let them cuss and everything like in the old days of BET uncut. Bet you they get ratings.

Anonymous said...

@1:58

STFU right now. Black people do NOT own CBS or NBC therefore we don't have the power to keep Arsenio on a network. Sick of you niggas and your constant guilt trips.

Anonymous said...

2:05, It doesn't matter. We barely support our own people, much like the first 2:01 explained. Stop trying to use "STFU" as a shield to the truth. You know damn well that Black people are their own worst everything. Fall back.

Bee Gee said...

@1:58pm - Yeh I'm dead serious. Tell me what other factors determine the longevity of these shows? TV execs don't care about any color but green.

And why is there this default that blacks can't critique black shows? Aren't we qualified and entitled to our opinion? Not everything is crabs in the barrel.. I get so sick of the "blacks drag other blacks down" narrative. I'm a consumer. If I think your show sucks I'm not watching that shit. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of cable channels to view - You got about 10 seconds to hook most viewers. Arsenio simply didn't generate enough nostalgia to pile the ratings needed to keep his show afloat. That's how it goes.

Anonymous said...

I worked as an intern for the Bethenny show and for Wendy Williams' show. The bottom line is that yes, ratings are one of the reasons why a show may either fail or prosper, but they aren't the only factor. In today's social media age, PR, marketing, and constant feedback are the driving factors to a show's existence. I was one of the marketing tech interns and my job was to gather all of the feedback from blogs, Facebook, Twitter, and other social media sites about the shows and compile them into one mass binder weekly. I would then have to facilitate meetings with other interns and producers to discuss how certain topics, guest, hot topics, and commentaries were received by the public. If a certain segment of the show received mostly negative feeback, we would 86 it and create a new topic in place of the old one.

Anonymous said...

Bee Gee, but Blacks DO drag other Blacks down, and this blog and its comments are one of the main sources of proof. Don't sit here and act like shit is just rosy, peachy, and magical on here. We are our worst everything and you know it. Whether you want to admit this or not is on you, but don't act like you don't know what the truth is. Yep, as a consumer, you have every right to critique products, services, etc., but the problem with Arsenio's show is that WE were critiquing him, calling him gay, calling him a horse, saying that he wouldn't be able to recapture what he had back in the day, etc., BEFORE his show started. You think those comments just fall on deaf ears? Please. You act like television networks, executives, producers, interns, etc., are just oblivious to what people are saying about their shows and productions. Nah. Viewer feedback, budget, demographics, and ratings all play a part in whether a show continues or not.

Anonymous said...

@Bee Gee are you in denial about Black people? You always seem to get "touchy" and sensitive when truthful things are being said about most Black people.

Anonymous said...

@2:15 hopefully you were paid for that intern. That sounds like at least a 50 thousand dollar a year job regarding the type of work they had you doing. Intern=cheap labor/free labor

Bee Gee said...

@2:20pm - Yeh we do drag each other down. But I'm tired of the narrative and I'm tired of niggas forcing that narrative on EVERYTHING. Of course it exists, no doubt.

I'll stand by my opinion that this is about ratings. There's a multitude of black people that have complained on every level about the fuckery contained in those reality shows, and on a level that far eclipses anything I've heard in reference to disapproval with Arsenio.... yet they keep getting renewed season after season. That's because VH1 and others don't give a damn about the narrative. Somebody's black ass is watching those shows to a level satisfactory to cable TV pockets - so they get renewed. I'm not saying that viewer feedback, budget, demographics don't play a part, but when the ratings are right, the networks will sho-nuff live with whatever the return is on those aforementioned areas. RATING$

Anonymous said...

2:24, I was paid a lump sum of about $28k from WW and about $15k from Bethenny up front. Not much when you think about, but it all helped pay my bills.

Bee Gee said...

@2:23pm - I have no idea what you're even talking about, and I doubt you do either. Hell, if anything, I probably critique black people as much if not more than anyone else in here. So what are you getting at?

Anonymous said...

Bee Gee, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Like I said, you always seem to get a little in your feelings whenever the truth is being spoken about Black people--such as how constantly and ferociously drag each other--but then you'll go an advocate for us to keep using the word "nigga." Aren't you in college? You need to take some African and African American history and introduction courses because I really think you're lost as far as your black consciousness is concerned. Since you like to advocate for the word "nigga" and you think it's a term of endearment, my kindergarten son and I would personally like to thank you for allowing that word to be apart of a daily vocabulary. Two kindergarten white boys repeatedly called my son a "little nigga" on their playground and all three little boys, my son included, were suspended.

Anonymous said...

Black people are their own worst everything. Fall back.
2:08 PM

Bitch just because you hate yourself does NOT mean we all do. Fuck off. Arsenio's show SUCKED. Get over it.

Anonymous said...

Bee Gee, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Like I said, you always seem to get a little in your feelings whenever the truth is being spoken about Black people--such as how *WE* constantly and ferociously drag each other--but then you'll go an advocate for us to keep using the word "nigga." Aren't you in college? You need to take some African and African American history and introduction courses because I really think you're lost as far as your black consciousness is concerned. Since you like to advocate for the word "nigga" and you think it's a term of endearment, my kindergarten son and I would personally like to thank you for allowing that word to be apart of a daily vocabulary. Two kindergarten white boys repeatedly called my son a "little nigga" on their playground and all three little boys, my son included, were suspended.

Anonymous said...

I agree that the other late night hosts like Letterman and all those are CORNY because they try too hard with the dry wit and tasteless humor; Arsenio was a platform for black artist back then whether it was rapping, acting, dancing, singing etc. You can't expect him to come back on 10 years later and do the same thing the same way. Maybe he should re-vamp the show and shop it around on cable. If Queen Latifah and Wendell can take their shows from network television to cable I don't see why Arsenio can't.

Anonymous said...

Black people are their own worst everything. Fall back.
2:08 PM

Bitch just because you hate yourself does NOT mean we all do. Fuck off. Arsenio's show SUCKED. Get over it.
2:36 PM

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Typical nigger unable to express themselves without using profanity. :-)

Ms. Lee said...

Bee Gee---

Apparently, it is your fault that someone's random son was suspended.

Anonymous said...

@2:44 I agee with 2:35 Im so sick of seeing the "N" word in Bee Gees comments I just scroll pass them! I did'nt even realize he used it again (as always!) until I read 2:35's comment! It's not Bee gees fault someones son was suspended but that was not the point im sure the poster was making!

Ms. Lee said...

2:58---

Sarcasm dear, sarcasm. Enjoy your weekend.

Bee Gee said...

@Ms. Lee - Apparently so, smh.

@2:36pm - Nah let's deal with the real issue here. It's you who seems to always get into your feelings about my opinion on certain issues. I've had courses in African-American history and studies, and have attended numerous lectures on the topic. I also have a summer class in African-American history coming up in July. My education and background on the issue actually makes me more secure in my feelings about today's use of "nigga". So don't worry about my education.

But unfortunately, your thanks for your son's predicament is not welcome here. You might want to seek out the parents of those white kids if you need answers as to why they called him that. And I don't wanna turn this into a Dear Abby thing, but if your son is in trouble for striking out at those boys then maybe you'd wanna sit him down and teach him about allowing white kids to get him suspended just by uttering a single word at him. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Jay Leno, The tonight show, and two others, started off with low ratings, and it took YEARS for them to build a show to where it is today.................but they cancel Lopez and Arseno, thats white folks for ya!.

Ms. Lee said...

Bee Gee---

Lol. Happy Father's Day to you in advance, babe. Enjoy your weekend, be safe, and have fun. I am leaving Sandusky, OH and heading back to Los Angeles around 5 eastern time. Talk with you later.

Bee Gee said...

@Ms. Lee - Thanks so much, sis. I appreciate that. Safe travels :)

Anonymous said...

VH1 has become the new home of blaxploitation and them shits stay gettin' renewed because a lot of us are tuning into channel zero to watch America's new soap opera..

ot: I shudder at the plantation of shuckin' and jivin' coons that VH-1 has become. Like MTV, I keep forgetting that at one time, it was a channel that played MUSIC VIDEOS.

Speaking of "channel zero", how ironic that it was probably the success of Flava Flav's "Flavor of Love" that kicked off the cooning festivities as far as Black people being on that channel.

As far as Arsenio, I never watched the show. I watched his show back in the day, but it seemed like he was trying to re-create the magic from the 90s and this is a whole new decade, with a new generation, and an even more cutthroat arena where if you don't come out of the gate with a bang right away, you're pretty much done. Time is money, and folks don't wanna waste their time waiting for you to make them money.

Anonymous said...

Cut the crap!!! Even Katie Couric wasn't safe from the ratings knife. Did her show even last 2 seasons?

Anonymous said...

Bee Gee, my son got called "little nigga" because his Dad let him go to school in his new Lebrons and the white boys correlate gym shoes to basketball and basketball to black men. If people like you weren't comfortable and always advocating for the word "nigga", this new generation of babies wouldn't be so brave and okay with using it. Stop the nonsense, okay?

Anonymous said...

How is Bee Gee responsible for someone's kid getting suspended from school? I'm confused. Like what the all-the-way fuck?

Anonymous said...

@3:42

Bitch, Bee Gee aint your child's daddy. Move on.

Anonymous said...

That one anon has been calling people "bitches" all day in this thread. Pure ignorance.

Anonymous said...

I'm late but she's obviously confused as well. As she indicated in her post at 3:42pm, the white kids are simply racist (i.e. gym shoes = basketball = blacks). If black people like Bee Gee stopped using the N word this very minute, those little white boys will still be calling your son a nicca tomorrow.

I get the fact that you don't like the use of the word by blacks, I feel some kind of way as well. But your who arguement with BeeGee just made you look/sound ignorant. If obvious, as BeeGee stated earlier, that you just don't like him and his opinion. Leave it at that. Don't bring your son into the mix.

Anonymous said...

Thats a great article she wrote,It make one wonder why more don't speak up ,on the Behalf of Black everywhere.

Anonymous said...

I liked the Bethany Frankel show, and it got canceled :(
I liked her way better than ass kissing Arsenio. He doesnt seem authentic. He just blows smoke up his washed-up guest asses. Its painful to watch actually

Anonymous said...

I like that Yvette wasn't PC, and told it like it is. I hope more celebrities start doing this. Like they did in the 90's. I'm tired of everyone going along with things, scared to speak out and speak their mind. Good on Yvette.

Anonymous said...

I grew up watching the Arsenio Hall show, but all good things must come to an end. I didn't think I was gonna last more than one season. At one time Arsenio was the king of late nite, but once you lose that crown it's hard to come close again.

Anonymous said...

Arsenio's show got canceled because his show was not funny and it sucked. Arsenio thought clowing black women making them the butt of his jokes was funny. He found out fast that he lost half of his audience. I say to his ass good riddance.

Anonymous said...

2:15pm
Bethanny show sucked too it was terrible. I'm glad they took that garbage off the air. Wendell Williams's show if garbage too and should be dumped in a trash heap.

Anonymous said...

Arsenio hall show is outdated because it's not necessary. When Arsenio first came on, there wasn't any major outlet for hip hop.now there's everything.

Anonymous said...

lol @8:50 I kinda like Wendell's show; it's "unconventional" so to speak.

It seems to me like Yvette Nicole Brown wants a Black/colored late night talk show host just for the sake of. There have been plenty of day-time and night-time talk shows that have been canned, regardless of the host (and his/her skin tone).

In Arsenio's case, people need to realize that everyone in Hollyweird (even talk show hosts) has their time in the sun. Everyone has to let go and retire eventually. Arsenio's time has come and gone. Yes he did a great thing by being the platform for rising Black artists at that time. But in the days of social media and youtube, you don't really need to be on television like that to get it poppin'

Anonymous said...

On point and very well spoken. Back in the day, I hardly ever missed an Arsenio Hall show. It was refreshing to see a brotha hosting a late night show, interviewing and showcasing 'our people.' I remember when he had TLC on the show, as well as other young, new singing groups. IMO, Arsenio was a better talk show host than Oprah.

Anonymous said...

With all the wealth among our black entertainers and athletes, we can't get our 'own' network? Lucille Ball and Desi Arnez had Desilu productions, showcasing their sitcom. What's wrong with us, damn!

Anonymous said...

Arsenio Hall's show was hard to watch. It was a total snooze fest.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Oprah will put his dull ass show on her dull ass network!!

Anonymous said...

@8:14

Oprah, Diddy and Magic Johnson all have their own networks. Now are you done feeling sorry for your race?

Anonymous said...

Bob Johnson created BET as well

Anonymous said...

@11:16 AM Not feeling sorry for my race. Is there something wrong with wanting our people to join forces and support one another, until we become strong enough to have our own shit? What side of the damn bed did you wake up on this morning?

Anonymous said...

@12:35

I'm sorry i'm just sick of certain blacks and their downtrodden mentalities. The victimization is tired. If Arsenio was the shit people would be watching the show, period. Nobody's feeling him, black or white. But yet it's our fault his show got cancelled for not "supporting other blacks". That's asinine.

Anonymous said...

Who is she addressing this to exactly? The problem is no one was watching. Didn't matter who he got on as a guest. His best ratings were probably with Prince and even that wasn't a great amount. We're in a different time and those black actors and performers who needed Arsenio in the 90s can now get on other late night shows today. They don't need Arsenio so no one is checking for him. If he wanted to solidify the black audience he should have taken the show to BET, TVOne or OWN and got an earlier time slot.

Anonymous said...

One of his biggest mistakes was his writing staff. Back in the day Arsenio has up and coming comedians writing. This time it looked like he hired fresh out of college TV show writers. His monologue and skits this go around are embarrassing to watch.

Anonymous said...

Budjet as far as his writers. He could only spend what they gave him trust it wasnt very much. If you look at other shows in the begining the writers and on stage set are always sustandard, late night has always had room for growth, things develope over years, this was her point.

However Arsineo wasnt given that, they gave him about a year. Alot of late night has taken 5 or more years to show some growth some of these shows have never had any signifigant veiwers or growth for decades and they are still on tv today.

Even so with a small budjet and staff he still improved the ratings
and was beating and compeating in his market. Heck they green lighted a second season because of the huge ratings growth.

Suddenly after the second season got the greenlight somebody shut it all down? it was unexspected everyone was so happy about the new season.

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