Tuesday, February 08, 2011

So Mary Lied


Last month Steve Harvey's ex-wife Mary Harvey went on a Youtube rampage accusing Steve of leaving her destitute and stealing their son Wynton away from her [click here if you missed that]. Well Steve took Mary's butt to court yesterday and his side of the story is a whole lot different from the one Mary told...

According to the findings of the court when Steve divorced Mary in back in 2005 he paid her $40,000.00 a month until 2009 and then gave her a $1.5 million lump sum AND several homes. And as for stealing their son, Steve was awarded custody of Wynton after Mary put him on a plane to Steve without any notice. The court also found that Steve's current wife Marjorie had no baring on his divorce with Mary.


You can go here read the docs

84 comments:

its me snitches! said...

Dayum! There goes your credibility!

Anonymous said...

Well damn! Guess everybody sticking up for Mary feels kinda dumb, huh? Truth be told they BOTH some fools. He's married to Lady Heroin, she's a liar tryna come-up 'cause the well ran dry. Did he give her the toupees in the divorce too?

Anonymous said...

this is the same lawyer that represented steve in the divorce lmfao TEAM MARY

Anonymous said...

i don't believe it. i need proof. i still can't stand him. his own brother dogged him out. i'm going to wait to hear from mary. steves lawyer probably made her sign something with out her even knowing.

Anonymous said...

...Kaldonia, Kaldonia...! why yo big head so HARD?

TJAY BKA JOEY JIHAD said...

First!!! damn shame Mary. all that hype for no damn reason....truth always comes to light. do ya thang Steve

AnRnBThug said...

How Does That Means She Lied?
That's His Side.
Steve is straight up Sheisty.
I Think She was Railroaded in Court
Driven NUTS & as a result lost Her Son

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha, I'm standing by waiting for the "black men ain't shit crew" to try and ease they way off of this thread. Steve might be a arrogant, big head, gate mouthed, big liped motherfucker with teeth like chicklettes but you can't call him a dead beat...lol. Mark one for the black men. Its bad enough that black men been falsely accused of everything under the sun but shits bad when our own queens have joined the lynch party.

Str8 No Chaser

Anonymous said...

CRAZY BITTER WOMEN......JUST SHAMEFUL !!!! She ran out of money.....and tried to run game....glad she's been exposed......!!!

Anonymous said...

WOW !!!!
Either Mary is crazy or she thinks Steve's lawyer is stupid.

Steve should now sue Mary for defamation of character.

RWS Bloggers have been calling steve everything except a child of God for the past few weeks.

This negative disinformation that Mary has been telling everyone has damaged Steve's career.

Anonymous said...

I don"t know about this....if I was his new wife I wouldn't want my man paying some other woman for life while she sit back and relax....devil's advocate she with that man when he had nothing for 16 yrs....I am so glad this shit ain't in my life. This is why I will never get married!! Marriage aint for everybody.

Snatchandgrab said...

Do the math...thats 3.4 million dollars. Can't believe half of what you read and most of what you see.

Anonymous said...

Did he give her the toupees in the divorce too?
********************************
Please head to timeout!!!....but I would like a statement from the lawyer about that accusation tho...hehe

Anonymous said...

The jury is still not out on this case. Just wait and watch folks. Steve is a piece of work.

Bee Gee said...

I couldn't care less about Mary. He's still a yessuhboss house nigga.

Anonymous said...

^'black man aint shit crew' is gonna stay quiet on this one. haha.

Anonymous said...

I knew it was more to the story and that is why I never made a bad comment about Steve. He never hide he was a bad husband so I don't know why folks were tripping.

Anonymous said...

How much of that was child support and how big were the mortgages left on those houses? We still don't know nothing.

Anonymous said...

That's still peanuts, she should've gotten half of everything simply because they worked together. So in my book, $3 million is nothing if they worked as PARTNERS!

I don't believe anything Steve says, and I hope he DOES NOT get another show until he learns how to ARTICULATE, and that country accent SUCKS! How is he from Ohio, but he sounds like he's from the backwoods of Mississippi?

Anonymous said...

There is something about Mary.

Anonymous said...

F^^k Steve Harve, same way. He's not funny and is a poster boy for Minstrel Shows.

where's my stimulus? said...

now we know why Mary STILL hasn't retained an attorney...
Receptionist: Hello, this is the Cochran Law Firm...how may I help you?
Mary: I want to speak to Johnny! Put Johnny on the phone I want a divorce!
Recept: Mr. Cochran is deceased but we have plenty of attorneys here happy to represent you. So you need a divorce attorney?
Mary: I'm already divorced, but I want another divorce settlement from the same man. I need to speak to Johnnnieeeee!!!!!
Recept: "click"

if there was some juice to Mary's story Gloria Allred would have CALLED HER!!!

Anonymous said...

uummmm...this is off the topic, but this comment goes to the folks who responded a few topics back on Mike Epps and when I said Mike Epps wasnt funny and they suggested I check out "Underrated and Never faded"..........

I stand corrected. Best show he has ever done and my head hurt afterwards right along with my cheeks and stomach.

Anonymous said...

Of course his story is going to be different.

I still believe Mary, fuck Steve Harvey and his lop legged wife.

Anonymous said...

Some of the comments are ridiculous. He still didnt pay her enough - he paid her what he was worth at that time. He should turn around and sue her azz for child support he has custody of the child. Put my child on a bus, plane, or train and don't tell me she is very lucky they would be reporting about me on the 6 o'clock news.

Anonymous said...

this looks like a WANNABE COURT ORDER....IT DOES NOT LOOK REAL...NORMALLY ITS CENTERED WITH THE COURT NAME FULL CENTERED IN THE MIDDLE ALSO A COURT ORDER IS NOT PROCESSED BY THE ATTORNEY BUT BY THE CLERK OF COURT AND SIGNED BY JUDGE...WHERE IS THE CLERK INFO..& THE VIDEOS R STILL UP!

Anonymous said...

ANOTHER THING, i HAVE NEVER SEEN A COURT ORDER WITH LINES SCRATCHED OUT & STUFF REWRITTEN ON TOP OF IT...HAVE U?????? HELL TO THE NAW!

Anonymous said...

THAT ATTORNEY TYPED THIS MESS HIMSELF, ITS NOT EVEN THE SAME LETTERING ALL THE WAY THROUGH

Anonymous said...

Gatdammit if STIM don't have a point, but are Steve's pockets deep enough for Glo to get a nice cut? You know she not going in for anything less than 6 digits.

Anonymous said...

I feel bad for everyone involved. It seems Mary is heartbroken and Steve seems to have quickly gotten over any emotions he had for her. It must be hard for her to go on with her life with an ex like Steve. No man (unless rich and successful also) will really feel like he can measure up. They may only want her for what they think they can get from her (that they think she is getting from Steve). It must be a lonely life for her. She must also feel that Marjorie has taken her family from her (her man, her son). That has to hurt. You just can't stay with a man as long as Mary was with Steve and not hurt when it's over. Steve just seems to have processed it and moved on with little regard for her. This is the same woman you were sharing quarters with when you lived in the car Steve. It just has to be hard. Call me crazy but the woman that brought your first born into the world and was willing to travel the country with you living in a car while you chased a dream should not have to EVER worry about being taken care of if Steve got it. I don't agree with spreading lies about anyone and putting your business in the street but to me it just looks like Mary is hurting. From what Steve did or didn't do , I can't say and unless we know them, none of us can say. Regardless, I feel bad for her. Steve got a new wife and his son and he will get over this quickly (obviously) but who does Mary have? Who will help her when it just hurts. I hope that everyone involved finds peace.

Mary girl, got get you The Scripts song BREAKEVEN, a bottle of wine, cry it out, scream it out then get up, shake it off, hold your head up and put one foot in front of the other toward a new, brighter better day. Don't become your pain.

The Real Fedup said...

I still don't believe it. They shared the same lawyer. So what does that tell us?

1. Mary is dumb to share the same lawyer
2. Steve is a sneek

Thus..... I AM STILL TEAM MARY.

THAT CHIC-LET BIG ASS SABATOOTH STEVE GOOFY HARVEY CAN KICK ROCKS WITH AN OPEN TOE SHOE!

Anonymous said...

Why do niggaz say that they get blamed for everything? Try being a black woman. SOME of ya'll blame women for A LOT of shit too.... Lets be really real. Some niggaz want to sign a piece of paper to opt out of fatherhood if he gets a girl pregnant. What kind of sh!t is that? Also,why do black women always have to be "bitter" Sorry,but who are the ones going on nuts when they get turned down. If you turn down a SOME black men,all hell breaks loose. Bitches,whores,sluts,hoes and everything else comes flying out of the mouth. I don't see girls do that downtown,at the mall,at school,nor at at the club.

Anonymous said...

3:45 CONT. STFU,black people get blamed for shit in general. Take your pity party somewhere else. Black women hold this shit down and stay too damn loyal IMO. With all these bitter ass niggaz running around. GTFOH

Bonanza said...

Simple solution.
DONT. GET. MARRIED.
SMH.

Anonymous said...

*side-eye*
That document looked rather chopped and written with intent to spute Mary's claims and with scare tactics. It looks like those are Steve's claims. So, the actual hearing date is in March, right?
Is this a ploy in hopes of Mary backing down? Any real attorneys lurking on here, cause this shit looks shady just like Steve's shysty rusty ass. This content is written in the form to amuse a gossiping audience, not a damn judge and jury.

Anonymous said...

@2:46 & 2:47PM
Damn true!
It looks like bullshyt.

Anonymous said...

HOLD UP,HOLD UP!

Stop! I just read that he won a junction to stop the videos she did, he still has to prove that he gave her all of that in the divorce, so he is not out of the clear. RWS done led us a stray once again. IT has not been proven that she received this yet. next court date in march.

Anonymous said...

HOLD UP! got the facts correct. In the words of Teddy Riley, It ain't over, the party's not over.....

Anonymous said...

Steve Harvey: Court Documents Released Countering Ex-Wife's Claims of Abandonment & Destitution
By Brennan Williams on Feb 8th 2011 10:52AM

In the midst of a firestorm of negative publicity surrounding Steve Harvey, a judge has approved the release of legal documents that prove allegations from Harvey's ex-wife, Mary Shackelford, were indeed false.

In recent weeks, the disgruntled spouse released a series of viral videos accusing her ex-husband of leaving her with nothing, including custody of their son, Wynton, following their 2005 divorce.

"He turned my son against me, had me evicted from our house," she said in the clip, which hit the mainstream media in a flash of lightening. "I woke up and everything was gone."




Contrary to Shackleford's malicious accusations, the new document states that she was not left homeless by Harvey following their divorce, but was awarded three homes as a result of their property settlement. Adding to that, she was also paid $40,000 a month until March 2009 and then paid a lump sum of $1.5 million.

As for the basis behind Harvey's custody of the ex-couple's 15-year-old son, the legal record stated that Shackleford willingly put the unaccompanied minor on an airplane to visit his father without Harvey's knowledge.

Among Shackleford's other claims was that the burgeoning media darling also left her for his current wife, Marjorie Bridges Harvey, whom she blames for being responsible for the their 2005 divorce.

According to the document, the couple's divorce was granted on the grounds of irreconcilable differences. His current wife was not named in the original divorce proceeding nor was she the cause of the marital breakup.

Judge Dry of the District Court in Collin County, Texas, has temporarily lifted a gag order so Harvey can defend himself against Shackleford's inflammatory allegations.

Anonymous said...

That "court order" is some bull-ish. When did "full force and effect" become legal terms? Keep trying Steve. You'll get somebody to believe you.

Anonymous said...

THE VIDEOS ARE STILL UP!

Anonymous said...

On Monday, February 7, 2011, the Honorable Judge Dry of the District Court in Collin County, Texas has approved the release of the attached legal and binding document which verifiably prove that the following allegations from Mary Harvey against Mr. Steve Harvey (spurred by her appearance on YouTube) were indeed false:

(1) Mary Harvey was not left broke or destitute by Mr. Harvey after their divorce in 2005. She was paid $40,000/month until March 2009 and then paid a lump sum of $1.5 million;
(2) Mary Harvey was not left homeless after her divorce from Mr. Harvey in 2005. She was awarded three (3) homes in their property settlement;
(3) Mr. Harvey is the primary custodian of their 13 year old son, whom Mary Harvey willingly put on an airplane to his father. Mary Harvey sent him to his father without Mr. Harvey’s knowledge; and
(4) The 2005 divorce of Steve and Mary Harvey was granted on the grounds of irreconcilable differences and his current wife was not named in the original divorce proceeding nor was she the cause of the marital break-up.

Harvey’s current wife Marjorie also released a statement saying she plans to file a defamation suit. Mary accuses her of having an affair with Harvey while Mary was still married to Steve.

Anonymous said...

One last thing....

Brennan Williams sounds like a BITCH ASS GROUPIE. Come on son. Steve is a media darling? What size knee pads are you wearing? I'll pitch in a buy you a pair just to get you to shut the fuck up.

Anonymous said...

Bobbie Edmonds as an attorney is an office of the court.
As such, she would not willingly commit PERJERY by filing a false document with the court.

I BELIEVE what is stated in the document submited to the court and SIGNED by the judge !

Anonymous said...

is Steve's lawyer representing her again? smdh

Anonymous said...

5:29

no people commit PERJERY when they think the truth cannot be revealed or has a snow balls chance of comming out, dont get it twisted.

Anonymous said...

U'mmm, my name is Mary and I'm broke! 40G's a month for 4yrs plus $1.5 Milly lump sum, yeahhhh I, I, I, u'mmmm, I spent that, I'm broke and my name is Mary dunb ass, LMAO stupid bitch!

Anonymous said...

Why would Mary need to lie about something that could be SOOOO easily proven to be a lie?

Those court documents look chopped and screwed. So until someone can produce some OFFICIAL looking documents, I'm still giving Steve the side eye...

Anonymous said...

SCOOBY DOO'S COUNTRY COUSIN STEVE HARVEY DIDN'T GIVE MARY SHITTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!! THATS WHY SHE'S SUING THAT DOG!!!

NubianGoddez said...

Those documents look hella suspect. I mean come on the attorney name sounds like he's a pimp and that www.goodverdict.com? say what? n*gga please!! this gary busey chicklet teeth 2.0 looking muthafukka ain't fooling nobody, even if it turns out Mary fudged some of the truth, I still don't like this shady ass n*gga and hopes karma kicks his b*tchass down a flight of stairs!!

Anonymous said...

on todays steve harvey show, a woman wrote in saying that her husband comes home smelling of bad sex. so while shirley is reading the letter and says that when asked about what is going on, the husband responds 'i don't know what you are talking about', steve chimes in 'I KNOW THAT'S RIGHT!'... and proceeds to advice the man as to what he should have done (all the while shirley,trying to keep the integrity of the show, tries to have him advise the lady instead,,,of course he does'nt until he is done giving the man tips). he goes on to say that to take off lipstick off of a collar, one should buy a loaf of white bread, and roll some over and over the stain, or better yet, toss the shirt and buy a tee instead.
could'nt listen anymore....but I am still team mary until i see further proof.

Anonymous said...

I'm looking at some documentation here on one side and the other side has word of mouth. If she was bamboozled and done wrong then there are judges and proper channels to take and them channels ain't called youtube. She is going about this the wrong way. Or she might be telling lies......and he might be telling lies, but this is a nation of documentation and he has a paper trail started and at this point she only has tear drop trails.

Str8 No Chaser

Anonymous said...

Any jack legged attorney trying to make a name for himself would be all over this if it was a fabrication. She is out of money. That is why she is talking now. Didn't hear a peep from her from 2005-2009 when she was appearantly was getting 40k per month and walked away with 1.5 mil. If she felt she was being slighted then at that point she should have gotten her own attorney. Sorry, her story has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

Anonymous said...

@7:30- I heard the show too. That's the motto "Deny till ya die". If you didn't see my a** in the air and tap me on the shoulder in mid-stroke, then dammit "it wasn't me".

Anonymous said...

@7:38...isn't that crazy that he has the b*lls to carry on like that while he is in the midst of this. imo, mary is right...i mean the proof is in things he says. I know it must be really hard for shirley strawberry and carla thomas to work with this dude..i mean even their laughs are so forced, he cuts them off, gives them directions like he is talking to kids. i am sure that other than the occasional guests, that has to be the hardest 4hrs of their day.

@7:32...she probably did'nt feel the need to then because he was'nt trying to pass himself off as this God fearing, stand up guy with great relationship advice. I mean he had the nerve to write books on how a woman should behave...and look at the advice he gave that woman's husband today. she was mearly trying to open our eyes to the !FRAUD! he is.

Fo'Real?!?! said...

He's still a douche regardless if the courts vindicated him. I don't believe that she was completely lying (she may have embellished the truth a bit on some things) but both will have to answer to God eventually so it is what it is....

Now off to shit that I actually care about..

Anonymous said...

Okay. I have seen videos snatched off Youtube within seconds. If there is an injunction, then why are the videos still up? All you folks calling Mary a liar may end up eating your words. Steve, look out. You should have left well enough alone.

Anonymous said...

IDGAF what kind of legal papers they produced, let me see some RECEIPTS AND BILLS OF SALE for what Steve ACTUALLY GAVE MARY. What's on a piece of paper don't mean shyt; what did he GIVE HER

Steve is a f*cking liar and I PRAY Mary sticks to her case and doesn't let his shytty azz scare her off again

Anonymous said...

I AM STILL TEAM MARY---MARY GET YOUR OWN LAWYER PLEASE....

Anonymous said...

AGREE with rnb thug at 1:09

TEAM MARY STILL.

Steve is a lying shady ass nigga.I won't be swayed at all from my judgement.

I also heard where a lady was awarded 2 million dollars and several homes by from her husband and he gave her all that KNOWING she'd be in the red and not have enough money to pay off the house of for the up keep.

Beware of slick shit!

Steve harvey ain't shit!Mary get your own lawyers!

Dee Truth said...

Like I said, I ain't feeling dude's (reported) PATTERN of conduct with people - not just his ex-wife.

So basically what some of y'all are suggesting is that EVERYBODY is lying about him, right?? LOL

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

HOLD UP,HOLD UP!

Stop! I just read that he won a junction to stop the videos she did, he still has to prove that he gave her all of that in the divorce, so he is not out of the clear. RWS done led us a stray once again. IT has not been proven that she received this yet. next court date in march.
4:33 PM

HAD TO COPY AND PASTE FOR ALL YOU BLIND MUDDAFUGGA'S

Anonymous said...

8:59. I'm just curious, but isn't a receipt and a bill of sale normaly put on a piece of paper? Just asking fam that's all, not looking for any beef.

Anonymous said...

wtf is perjery?!?!?!?!?! smmfh

Anonymous said...

It really doesnt matter weather she lied or not, cause either way they are fighting over bullshit.And there is a kid in this, No matter what he moved on and she is hurt no matter what.They just need to just patch shit up she dont have to be his bff.He know what he did she knows what she did.Honestly if dirt has been done it will come bite them in the ass. I dont care what kind of materials you got,cause when you go it wont mean shit.

Anonymous said...

If anyone is dumb enough to believe something because the court said it you are very dumb. I love Steve Harvey but it's obvious he cheated on his wife and it's obvious the marriage wasn't perfect. But, he ain't all right and neither is Mary. An adult would be able to look at this situation and see it as it is. A woman scorned and a man that had move out of his marriage before he got a divorce. He obviously hurt her first and now she is trying to hurt him back. And if he isn't allowing her to see her son he is a sorry ass man point blank period. He isn't any better than these single mothers not allowing the fathers to see their kids.

MARLENA said...

MARY NEED TO STOP WHINNING, GO ON, LIFE TO SHORT. STEVE WAS JUST NOT INTO YOU ANYMORE. IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY. DAMM! THEIR OTHER MEN OUT THEIR, GET SOME BACKBONE MARY. I HATE WHEN A PERSON COMPLAIN, HE CHEATED ON ME, HELL U KNEW HE WAS CHEATING, YOU CHOSE TO STAY, THEN HE GOT TRIED OF YOUR BEHIND. LEFT YOU FOR GOOD, IT HAPPEN TO THE BEST OF US. WE PICK OUR SELFS UP AND GET ON WITH LIFE. SO STOP WITH THE PITY PARTY....

Stash said...

"Steve might be a arrogant, big head, gate mouthed, big liped motherfucker with teeth like chicklettes but you can't call him a dead beat..." Anon Str8 No Chaser

Je suis absolument MORTE!!!!

Flat lines ------------^^^^------------------

~rwt~

Anonymous said...

Where are all the steve bashers and Mary riders now, you just gotta think, after all those years why now Mary, but the blind didn't see that, they were quick to judge steve because of sobby mary,

Anonymous said...

Mary seems like the type that'll have that bomb beginning sex because she didn't get it like that, enuff to make a nigg@ marry then she slacks off like she got the bomb cookie and ration out....hence steve fed up and cheating. Women gotta realize you can't just sparingly give the cookie especially if you married, shoot, yoll get tired of men and mess with women and even the dykes say yoll getting on they nerves, how does a woman complain about a complaining woman LOLOLOL just shut up and bend ova and get paid ladies jeez, yoll want everything and then don't want anything

Anonymous said...

Boom there's her closure, now all yoll STFU please

Anonymous said...

Co-sign with 9:50pm

Anonymous said...

MARY TOLD THE TRUTH ...MARY TOLD THE TRUTH.....MARY TOLD THE TRUTH!!!!!!! TEAM MARY !!!!!

Anonymous said...

I still believe Mary! Why did Steve put a gag order on her in the first place? To control her!

How long did Steve know his current Wife Marjorie?

20 years Steve said it himself on the Ed Gordon's Show a few months ago..I heard him say it myself!

Mary didn't defame Marjorie..the people from
Memphis did...Fact..Marjorie Briges was married
to two Drug Kings in Memphis..who were cousins!
Don't get it twisted..Steve and Marjorie are very shrewd...Mary on the other hand isn't! So it's easy for Steve to continue to manipulate Mary...If Mary is a little crazy..it's because
she's been wronged and don't know which way to turn when dealing with a person as shrewd as Steve and Marjorie. Mary is made to look like the liar! I BELIEVE MARY WITH ALL MY HEART!

Anonymous said...

MARJORIE LOVES MONEY! SHE PROBABLY WOULDN'T MARRY STEVE 20YEARS AGO BECAUSE HE WAS BROKE.
BUT NOW..SHE'S OLDER AND THE DRUG GUYS WANT YOUNGER CHICKS...SO SHE PUT HER STAMP ON STEVE.
NOW SHE'S ABLE TO CONTINUE TO LIVE THE HIGH LIFE!
VERY CLEVER OF HER..BUT I DON'T THINK MARY SHOULD
BE MADE OUT TO BE A LIAR! I TRULY BELIEVE HER!
MARY MUST HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH HELL WITH STEVE
ONCE STEVE KNEW HE COULD FINALLY HAVE MARJORIE!
I THINK MARJORIE LOVES MONEY..NOT STEVE! LMAO

Anonymous said...

@8:59AM
I cosign 100%. Therefore, when Steve money runs out, Majorie will definately be looking for the next drug kingpin. I still believe Mary. Who in the hell believe everything the press says.

Anonymous said...

@12:58 PM - good summary lol

Anonymous said...

Again, WTF? is PERJERY?

LOL!!!

PpleR2DamnSerious said...

You gonna tell me for 16 years of marriage, a child together, helping him with his business, all she gets is a measly 40K a month until 2009, 1.5 Mill in lump sum and a few houses here there.... Fuck off!!

Anonymous said...

Look at this picture and tell me this woman on the end ain't Steve and Marjorie's child....

http://www.blackcelebkids.com/2008/05/17/steve-harvey-loves-his-blended-family/

Sydni Meeks said...

It is obvious that the letter from this attorneys office was intended to defraud internet readers! I actually contacted the district court and county court in the county listed and there is no such order from the judge. Even if a Judge allows one to speak on a case that had a final gag order or order of protection , the judge would not allow all that we have been given in the letter/order listed. I do not know if all, partial or any of what the former Mrs. Harvey has previously stated is true. However, I do know that this letter/order that was submitted by the Law Office of Attorney Edmonds is not an official order from the Judge or court listed in reference to the former Mrs. Harvey's viral video. I'm sure that within the next 24-48 hrs. a representative from the law office will deny the fact that they had anything to do with the letter/order that was submitted to the blogs.

Anonymous said...

Those videos are still UP!

Anonymous said...

RWS gots a hella powerful blog. Steve and Lady Heroin is postin' all OVER this bitch! Sit y'all asses down somewhere. Y'all some dirty damn dogs, everyone knows it, and your whack comments and 'anonymous' attacks on Mary are not gonna change that.

Anonymous said...

The child was sent home to see his father wthout enough notice, Steve was called the night before!!

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